Join Captain Ron and his guest, Activist Steve Bassett as they discuss disclosure, the future of UFOs, and what the government does or does not know.
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Speaker 3 (00:48):
Hey everyone, it’s Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact,
we’ll explore the latest news in upology, discuss some of
the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from
the newest cases as we talked with the top experts.
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today
I’ll be speaking with Stephen Bassett. Steve’s the executive director
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of the Paradigm Research Group, which he founded back in
nineteen ninety six to end the government imposed embargo on
the truth behind extraterrestrial related phenomenon. It was then that
he became a registered lobbyist for the UAP subject, although
in practice it was really more about lobbying the media
than Congress itself. Steve’s been advocating hard for disclosure from
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our government for over twenty eight years now, and I
do not know of anyone who’s more knowledgeable on this
subject than him.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
How you doing, buddy, I’m doing fine.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Ron.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I’m recovering from the CIITD.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
It does kind of have a two week hangover, doesn’t it.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
It takes y it does it’s and in this case,
I kind of overdid myself.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
You did, I think you had like eight presentations, an
unprecedented number. It was.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yeah, I don’t know how that happened. They just kind
of adding up. You know, I want to speak to
everybody all the time. So I’m going, okay, I’ll do that.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I’ll do that.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Mind I’m running around the hotel grounds. I’m getting coo
old for that. Man, I’m going to have to alter
my approach.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
We’ll cut you back to seven next year.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Yeah, let’s go to seven.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Well. I think that this is a very important topic,
and I really think most people out there don’t even
realize the progress that’s actually been made in Congress, And
with Steve’s help, I hope to lay that out here.
First Off, there’s been four bills in Congress in our
recent history that actually addressed the UAP issue. I’d like
to discuss the latest one here with Steve. A year
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ago back on June fifth of twenty three, we all
sat around and watched David Grosch give his press briefing
where he came forward about his knowledge of et craft
and beings. And then just thirty nine days later was
when the Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer authored the bill
called the UAP Disclosure Act. This bill seemed to be
exactly what we’ve been waiting for, and Steve, I bet
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you were bouncing off the walls the day you saw
that bill get released.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
I blew my mind. You have to have a pretty
substantial knowledge of the history of this to truly appreciate
how important it was. Right, I think some people would go, oh,
it’s another bill, whatever, no big deal, Oh huge, huge.
It was the culmination, I think of the whole seven
years where we saw these individuals come forward, including Christopher Mellen,
Lewis Alasando, and Gary Nolan and others. But those first
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three have been very prominent in the process that’s been
underway for seven years. We’ve got tons of media was
generated by that coming out and the New York Times article. Meanwhile,
a lot of things are going on behind the scenes.
People were being briefed, Members of Congress were being briefed,
a lot of people in Hollywood. They got their attention,
they started looking at projects. And then after basically three
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years of that, the next major thing took place, and
that is a small piece of legislation was put into
the COVID Relief Act, in this case by Marco Rubio,
who was the chairman of the Intel Committee of the Senate,
one of the most important committees of Congress. Never been
a piece of legislation ever, it was small. Primarily it
asked for a report back from the Congress by June
twenty five of twenty twenty one, which got a lot
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of interest and attention as well as a public statement,
and that generated a lot of media and from that
point on we have been marching towards disclosure in a
way that is still taking too long. And so in
each successive year there’s been three more bills, more piece
of legislation. The next three were all part of the
National Defense Authorization Act, which is an extremely important act
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which has to be passed, and so holding up the
Act over any section of it would be risky, and
just putting it in the National Defense Authorization Act is
kind of giving it a lot of gravitas. It could
have made it a separate bill, the UFO Bill or
whatever the hell, but no. So this is serious. And
of course the Senate Intel Committee, members of the committee
were involved in sponsoring every single one of those bills.
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And while this is happening, you have developments taking place
legislatively in the House where certain House members who have
been either briefed or tipped off or informed that yeah,
this is all real. I’ve decided, Hey, we’re taking this on.
And so they have been very public and demanding the truth,
calling out the government on the truth in Bargo, saying
there’s an extraterrestrial presence here. Culminating at least on the
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House side, with the House Oversight Subcommittee hearing of David Grush,
the first real hearing since nineteen sixty eight, in which
he repeated under oath what came out earlier that year
on June the fifth, while the contact and the Desert
comps going on. So we’re just marching forward, right, And
of course I’m excited, but events overseas. Events in the
world are also happening. So the political situation is getting very,
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very wobbly. You’ve got the development that started in the
Ukraine not long after the first bill was passed, new
war and so that’s not helping and pandemic issues, I
should say as well. But nevertheless, despite all of this,
one piece of legislation after another, each one bigger than
the last. So this is all unprecedented. The hearing of
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Grush in twenty twenty three was unprecedented really in a sense,
nothing like that has ever happened. The amount of coverage
blew up. I think eighteen hundred articles I logged in
last for twenty twenty three, the most ever probably Triage
from four thousand, probably the total number worldwide after the
English language, in addition English Foreign language probably five six
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seven thousand articles. So this is enormous coverage. This is
all great, and then something happens, and it was basically
triggered by Chuck Schumer and that bill. When Chuck Schumer
made the decision to respond to what Grush had done
coming forward with that testimony, which was a real problem.
It was not supposed to happen. It is not what
I think the Intel Committee wanted or anybody wanted. Really,
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but it is something.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
You wanted, we wanted, we wanted it, yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
I say, anybody in government wanted. Yeah. Yeah, But he
had to do it, and he did it. And so
the moment that he gives that interview to Culthar and
reinforced of course by the under oath testimony, he has
dis created a big problem for the Senate Intel Committee,
the White House, and the Department of Defense. Big problem.
What do you do with that? In an authoritarian state?
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He would accidentally fall off his balcony. Yeah, but that’s
not how we roll. They took time. He announces it
in the fourteenth in July twenty twenty seven, it goes
up on the website for everybody to read worldwide, everybody
in the world, and go read that law, that bill,
about sixty three pages and very quickly to recap what
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was so important about that bill. What was so important
is that basically it was the final piece of the puzzle.
It was the final package. It was the entire necessary
legislation to bring out from the classified world everything that
the government has and knows, documents, files, whatever, the entire
amount through a process of review where things will be
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moved forward or held back for a while with declaration
and then come back again until everything eventually walks this
way all the way to the National Archives, and of
course is viewed and known by.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
The entire world.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
On the process, the whole thing, including the powers that
would be needed to make sure that it would happen,
as opposed to some people in some underground facilities saying,
first of all, you don’t even know where we are,
and second of all, we could care less what you
want and you’re not going to get jack from us. No, No,
that would not happen.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
This is the subpoena power stuff, right.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
The subpoena power, the high classification levels, alternate classifications level,
the Presidential Review Board, and of course eminent domain, which
gives them the ability to then go after and look
at and examine for possible taking in a domain of
projects like that. And so it had it all.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
It was it.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
He was basically saying to the world, now it’s time
to get this done. We’re going to pass this bill
and right away that process gets to get underway. It
also indicated that the process would be advanced, meaning it
would start immediately for anything twenty five years or older,
which includes a lot of very interesting things. So this
is like a bomb dropped into the middle of the
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truth in Bargo. Well, there’s always going to be until
we have it, disclosure resistance. There’s always going to be
those opposed to it for various reasons. Some of them
are hardcore national security reasons. That’s their belief. They believe
it absolutely cannot come out. Others may have more self
serving reasons. We know the defense contractors clearly have a
dusted stake and how it happens and so forth, because
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they plan to make a lot of money. But overall,
as you say, as I’ve said, we’ve been marching steadily
since twenty seventeen, and what Schumer did basically crossed the line.
Those that do not want this to happen realize that
they had to do something, or it was done. It
was over, that bill passed, it’s over, and so they
made the decision, Okay, we’re going to take a shot
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at this. We’re going to try to stop it, or
we’re going to see if we can staunch this thing,
maybe put it off another ten years or at least
until I retire or maybe dead or whatever. I just
don’t want to have to face the post disclosure world
as a member of the US government. And so so
that did it, and they made their move. And fortunately
for us, this is not nineteen sixty nine, and so
what everything they were doing was pretty obvious. Everybody knew it.
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That Internet knew it. We all discussed it, we all
parsed it, spread it, spread it around.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
I told it right there, Steve. We’re gonna have to
take a quick break, and when we come back, we’re
going to ask Steve, what happened to this promising bill.
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Welcome back to Beyond Contact with Captain Ron. I’m talking
to Steve Bassett and we were just talking about this
bill that Schumer put together about the UAP Disclosure Act. Steve,
what happened in December to this act that was so
well designed for what we want?
Speaker 4 (13:01):
What happened is that they had to go after the bill,
and so they did. They went after the bill to
try to gut the powers least, and.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
They took those big four provisions that you said were
so important right out of the bill. Right.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
I think they’d love to get the whole bill, but
that may have been overreaching. And so essentially they set
people up on the hill to talk to individuals on
the hill who have a lot of power, who care
what the defense contractors think about them, and care about
what kinds of funding they get from people like that
and whatever reason. And these people had power pretty well known.
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It was Rogers, Turner and McConnell that had the power
to take some of those conferent compereaes to dinner. So
you take them to dinner and overwhined to kind of
suggest to them, yeah, that those powers have got to go.
And if you want to if you want to be
appointed to a committee that’s worth worth a nickel, you’re
going to do that. Or if you want my support
for your next campaign, you’re going to do that. And
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so that’s what happened.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
So they gutted this bill. They took all the teeth
out of it. Now it seems to me like, why
would they do that. If this is not real and
this is not true, why take it out. You know,
they gave me an apartment complex lease and said, hey,
you’re not allowed to have leprechaun technology, and if you do,
we get to own it. I’d say, fine, there’s no
leprechauns anyway, so go ahead.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Well that’s that’s why the whole thing is so desperate.
See when Grush said we had non human tech, non
human bodies, that’s kind of that’s Roswell, that’s the whole enchilada,
but he’s not the president. And then when he says
it again under oath, that’s a big deal. And then
when Schumer comes out and puts that amendment in for
eminent domain, he’s basically confirming, yeah, we have non human tech,
non human bodies. Otherwise eminent domain is pointless. And then
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when the defense contractors have to go and gut the
powers of the bill because they don’t want to have
to deal with eminent domain, they have just acknowledged.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
So me to all, we just said non human. It’s
an interesting thing that you absolutely noted. I heard you
say one time that you looked at the revision of
the bill and they actually had the word non human
in the original bill twenty five times I think. So, yeah,
revision was down to two.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Oh yeah, they got it down as far as they
could get it and not offend humor, who is a
powerful man. They have validated to anybody that looks at
this and knows something that yeah, there’s non human tech
and we don’t want to give up them in a domain,
you know. And then recently Carl Nell went on a
spoken to conference, a very high level conference in New York.
This is the Salt Conference, which, by the way, is
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a high end conference that is watched and participated in
by high end high tech people in technology, computer, also finance.
These are high level people. And he lifts his whole resume.
I mean he’s done everything. He’s been involved in government
intelligence work, he’s been in contractors, he was part of
the UAP task force. I mean, he has a huge resume.
When asked is there a non human presidence here, and
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basically said, yeah, no doubt there has been, and there’s
people in government that know it. Pretty soon, there’s not
going to be anybody out there that hasn’t confirmed that
there’s ex presidence except the President of the United States,
who ultimately is the one that has to do this
for us to move forward.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
But who do you guess is behind this gutting the bill?
Is it people in Congress with districts that they don’t
want people poking around like Wright Patterson, Roswell, that kind
of thing. People from districts with big defense contractors with
risk losing that well, I think it’s just a big thing.
They don’t want to let this out.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
This was driven by the defense contract. The et issue
is getting well received. I mean, people are getting into
it and they getting nothing but kudos. And so the
idea that the ET thing coming out is going to
hurt Alabama or some state, no no. And the defense
contractors are based on defending the United States. And even
if we announce there’s an extraterrestrial we’re still going to
have to defend the United States. So they’re not going
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to lose any business. It’s the defense contractors that could
have been screwed. Tumor may have just planned on using
the eminent domain portion as a bargaining chip to keep
the other powers, but they went after the whole thing.
But the defense contractors have been studying the science and
the technology of these craft for seventy years. God knows
what they’ve learned. God knows what science they develop, all
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of which is completely classified. And even to the extent
that the government could use it, they can’t use it
in a public way because that just dis exposes the
whole thing. And so it’s well known that they intend
to assert some prietary rights here on what they’ve learned
and what they’ve built or anything else. Now, they were
paid by the government to do it, and so one
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committee to make a case that now the government owns it,
we have the rights. But on the other hand, they
got a lot of lawyers, and so we’re not talking
about a little bit of money. We’re talking about trillions
of dollars over a period of years based upon patent
ownership or rights to some of this et tech anti
gravitics right there alone. I think that’s going to make
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somebody a lot of money. And so from their point
of view, it was not about national security. It was
about dollars. Now, there may have been a few members
of Congress who personally don’t want this out has nothing
to do with money. What happens next, though, it’s where
things get interesting. I just love this. I don’t take
joy and watching the Department of Defense squirm, you know.
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But you know, the point is that after they gutted
the bill, Schumer then went right back in the Senate
with Mike Grounds and read into the record that we’re
not done. We’re gonna keep at this, we’re gonna get
this right. And they’re going, oh, crimingy, I mean, chuck,
I mean you lay down, man, I mean come on,
you gotta do this again. And as a result, they
needed to take another measure where they almost outdid themselves
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in desperation. And when Schumer goes back into the Senate
and makes it clear that he’s not done, he’s gonna
he’s gonna get he’s gonna they’re gonna come back on
that bill. I think it dawned on the opponents of disclosure, everyone,
including obviously the defense contractors, that wait a minute, we
may have made a bad chess move and set ourselves
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up for mate. And there were two things. One they realized,
wait a minute, the way legislation works, Yeah, you can
you can put up you can put a bill into
the National Defense Authorization Actor. You can just submit it
as a standalone bill into the Senate, right and given
everything that’s happened, the Senate will pass it. And so
now you’ve got a standalone bill that’s not dependent on
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passing anything else. It’s going to then get passed over
to the House, and then the House will have to
decide what kind of language it wants. The idea that
under that circumstance, the House is going to come up
with another shredded downplay kind of language. It’s going to
be so obvious, and the defense contractors are going to
have a major public relations problem. It’s going to be awful.
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And they realize he can do it anytime he wants to,
and the Senate will pass it. Then they remembered something
that maybe they’d forgotten. The witness has been accumulating and
coming forward for years. We’ve got scores of them. They
can pick and choose from, like, you know, a rather
a substantial spectrum of witnesses to get just the most
powerful testimony. And that the Senate Intel Committee can hold
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that here anytime it wants. It doesn’t need the permission
of the defense contractors, it doesn’t need the permission of
anybody in Congress. It just needs the chairman to call it.
And I guess unless the chairman was somehow removed or
suddenly disappeared, it might be delayed. But then the next
person will do it. They can’t stop that hearing, and
that hearing is ballgame, telling that this great truth it’s over.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
You know, it almost feels to me, Steve, like this
is a microscopic version of disclosure. The fact that they
even wrote such a bill. We have a bill on
the floor of Congress called the UAP Disclosure Act. I
think that’s incredible progress.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
The witnesses that I know are going to that will testify,
will be like twenty brushes essentially covering a range of evidence.
It’ll just be overwhelming. And that’s it, and that’s disclosure.
And they can’t stop it now. Now they really panicked
and they pulled dumpthing up that I know, I understand,
gutting the bill. That’s kind of like fair play. They’re doing.
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They’re using the system. They’re doing what you can do.
They change the bill happens all the time. What they
did next is intexcusable and disgraceful. I’ll after the break,
I’ll definitely go into that. But that’s the next big story.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
It took place, all right, we’ll pick that up on
the other side when we come back with Steve Bassett
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Speaker 3 (22:55):
We are back on Beyond contact with Steve Bassett. Steve,
why don’t you pick up what you were saying there
about this bill.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
What they did is say, let’s take a tip from
nineteen sixty nine when we had the Condon Report come out.
Doctor Condon signed off on at University Colorado, nice academic
basically saying there’s really nothing that this phenomenon the evidence
is not there. I don’t see any reason why we
should pursue this. The government said thank you and shut
down Project Blue Book and then went after Nightcap, destroyed
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Nightcap and they took a vacation. So we’re good for
a while. This was a lot.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
You think that’s what they’re doing right now with Arrow,
because Arrow basically came out and said the exact same thing.
Here we are fifty years later.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
That’s exactly what they tried to do. And I don’t
know who the hell came up with this idea. And
so in this case, they replaced Condon with doctor Sean Kirkpatrick,
who was in a terrible position while he was heading
of Arrow, and when Grush came out it only got worse.
It was awful for him. He finally said, I can’t
take this anymore. I’m quitting. By the way, he also
attacked Grush as a way to kind of deflect that
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from him, because he knew that they were going to
be coming to him and he was not a position
to answer them. So he’s had it. He’s resigning, but
he hasn’t left yet. They go to him, they say, look,
here’s the study you’re doing. We’re going to flesh this out.
Whatever this study is going to show, there’s really nothing
to this, you’re going to sign it. You’re going to
be the doctor Edward Connon of the twenty first century.
And then the whole thing can shut down. And so
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they actually publish this study, which is an absolute disgrace.
It is so pathetic. The DoD surely is more mature
and worthy of something better than this. It was awful.
And I feel bad for doctor Kirkpatrick because unless he
does a one pint eighty and comes back at it
and says, wait a minute, this isn’t right. I need
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to readdress this, he’s going to live with this this
rest of his life.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
And so he was designed as a propaganda machine just
from day one. They never even intended to have no no.
I would think they wouldn’t put anybody of any knowledge
on this subject on that committee or in the organization
at all. Anyway, they’re putting peop out there that probably
don’t have access to this.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Well, well, well, remember Ron, the fundamental message I’ve been
putting out on podcast after podcasts for two years is this.
And Nel said it when he said they’ve known about this.
Government knows all about the et issue. They’ve misstudying forever.
They’ve got all kinds of information. They know what’s going on.
All this process, the legislation, setting up, the Arrow briefings
and everything else, all of this is not about finding
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out about it, not at all. Right, Kirkpatrick did not
take over Arrow so that he could go find out
what the phenomenon is about. No, whether he understood that
it remains to be seen. It is about getting everything
in place so when the President does come forward and disclose,
we can deal with what happens the next day. In
other words, is to prepare for the disclosure event, not
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to find it out. And once you understand that, you
understand that, like Arrow is totally legitimate, we needed that
once the president announces the et presidents, we need an
organization already set up and funded and prepared to deal
with all that comes next.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Yeah, I’ve heard you say that before. But don’t you
think that this organization has been completely discredited at least
from this community already. Why would we now suddenly go, oh,
that’s the place to take stuff.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Well, let me put it this way. Look, yeah, this
is a terrible thing that Dood did. They’ve disgraced Arrow,
they’ve embarrassed themselves. And it may be that because this
is we’re going to get disclosure. It’s only a matter
of time.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
That’s for you and I differ. It’s the matter of time.
I think you’re weeks, months, or years, and I’m decades,
centuries and millenniums.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
You’re telling me, Ron, Hey, I was having a great
day until you said that. Okay, No, it’s okay, it’s okay.
I assure you. When it finally comes, I’m going to
be relentless. I’m going to torch you. The point is
is that it’s evitable they’ve got to get this done,
and this was a last ditch effort. It was probably
the last arrow they’ve gotten the quiver. I don’t know
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what else they could come up with. It’s already been shredded.
This report has been utterly shredded. And since that report,
like Nolan and Carl Nell have gone in front of
your audience said no, they’ve been here for a while.
And so it was a huge mistake. And it may
be that because of this, Errow will have to be
renamed again with the EWAP group that they’re representing is
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going to have to get another name. And I like
this name. I thought it was pretty good, But I do.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Think that they will probably come up with another organization
because I don’t think anyone has any faith in this one.
So if if we do get any of this disclosure,
they’re going to have to come out with a new
reputable place to put this information.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Well, essentially, Arrow is simply a name for people doing something,
and so they don’t have to change that.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Or people doing nothing.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
More accurately, are doing nothing until disclosure, So all I’d
have to do is just change the name. Beyond that,
I don’t know if it’s necessary. It’s not that. It’s
not like there’s a giant Arrow building somewhere. So again,
this is where things are now. I should add this
is the cherry on top of the Sunday for those
that were thinking, well, you know, no, Schumer hasn’t rein
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reduced the bill yet, and Sherman hasn’t called the hearing yet,
and and there’s a campaign coming up, and god knows
what will happen, and and and maybe we can push
this embargo another couple of years. And then Robert Garcia
in the house walks in, walks into the ouse floor
and reintroduces the UAP disclosure bill, the original.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Or not the gutted one, the original.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
The original one. Basically he didn’t have to do it
all because some of that is still in the bill
that was passed and he reintroduces into the House. So
the whole thing is going to start again. And and
I don’t know what the guys over the Pentagon are
going to do. I’m sure they’re thinking, what can we do?
What can we do? Well, we could start at nuclear
war first.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
There’s a legitimate chance of that passing. With those four
tenant staples in the bill, it’s.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Less about it passing. Then it adds even more pressure
on Mark Warner to decide, Look, this is not political,
this is nonpartisan. It’s being a dress in a bipartisan way.
Thank god for that, And go ahead and call the
hearing that he has got to call. That’s what it’s about.
I mean as far as near term. But if he doesn’t,
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then will the bill pass? As he is down the line,
I have no idea. I don’t know where this country’s
going to be by the end of the year. Frankly,
I have no idea. I can only now look a
couple of months ahead, because things are so weird, so scary,
that looking beyond sixty days, I break out in hides.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Steve, Okay, let’s say that they actually do pass this
bill somehow someway with all the meat in there that
we needed. Do you think that it’s really going to
still come out? I feel like I cannot imagine that
somewhere deep in our government they have this type of technology,
and they do have recovered craft. Why would they come
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out with it? Even if the full Act eventually does pass.
I think the real good stuff would somehow still be
buried enough behind some sort of the pay wall somewhere
that it would stay hidden.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
What do you think Probably no bill ever passed will
get more attention worldwide than this bill thanks to the
Internet and all of the social media. TIC TAC followers
with sixty million subscribers or TIC tech influencers sixty million
subscribers one hundred million. There is a guy out there
called the Beast has two hundred and seventy three million.
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It’s going to go around the world. Everybody’s going to
know about it. So that’s a big problem for those
inside that are going right not giving this up. It’s
not all going to come out at once. Disclosure plan
as described in the bill is the process why which
it will all happen. But some things will come out sooner,
some things will be delayed. And where the tech, the
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non human tech is at the forefront of this whole process.
Thanks to David Grush, it’s right there. It’s in the
front car when the process is formally signed and therefore
in play with powers, subpoena power. A lot of people
in this world, in our country, a lot of politicians,
and they’re already doing it. They’re going to be saying, look,
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we want to see the tech now.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
We all do. Okay, all right, Steve, let’s stop there.
When we come back, we’re going to talk to Steve
about even if this does pass, will we really even
get to the information that we all really want to know.
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Speaker 3 (33:23):
We are back on Beyond Contact with Captain Ron. I’m
talking to Steve Bassett. Steve, You’ve laid out a great
case already. I see what you’re saying, and I see
the progress we’ve made. We’ve done things that I didn’t
think would happen. However, I have to be honest with you, Steve.
I sitting here today talking to you feel more than
ever if our government does indeed have non human craft
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and or bodies, why would they disclose this. I cannot
think of any reason to do so, but I could
think of a thousand reasons not to. So I still
think it will get blocked.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Based upon the bill that was going to be signed.
It will be signed. Eventually, they’ll go to jail, they
will be subpoena, they will join Steve Bannon. They will
lose jobs, they will lose a man.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
You say that, But if you believe that they have
these things, don’t you also believe that they would have
a way to bury this deep in black budget projects
and the special access projects that we can’t get to.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
They’re already in special access project.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Okay, well then I just don’t see how we’re going
to be able to uncover.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
That because the language of the bill penetrates that. In
other words, one of the language of the bill says
that the Presidential UAP panel right exposure Panel, and the
clearance is provided to those that group. It’s the highest
level clearance, meaning I got com problem.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Doesn’t that walk up against the way the special access
projects work where they are allowed to be outside of
the system. So the system says we’re allowed to access everything,
but the special access project says you’re not allowed to
access this. There’s a conflict there.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
The unacknowledged special access programs means you’re not supposed to
under the standard protocols acknowledge that you even have it.
Does that mean it is an independent state?
Speaker 3 (35:03):
No?
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Does that mean the president can go get them? Absolutely?
The president can crack them open and the other thing is, look,
this is a big deal that’s going to be happening,
and there’s a whole lot of people involved. And so
there may be some people in some of these programs
they’re saying we cannot, we cannot do this, we cannot
do this. There’s going to be plenty of people say, hey,
no problem, that’s the law, that’s what they want. We’re
going to cooperate. The idea that the entire complex of
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individuals working on this are all going to come together
and say we’re going to hold this underground and we’re
not going to open that door until they blow it up. No,
you’re going to have plenty of people more than willing
to cooperate, and only a couple of them have to
be hauled in front of a congressional committee and charged
with crimes for not obeying a subpoena before the rest are.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Going to go.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Uh. I’m not throwing my career away. I’m not throwing
my legacy away for a policy that is basically over.
I think that you’ll find that the vast majority of
people working in these unacknowledged special access programs, on this tech,
on this phenomena are good patriots, good people, and they
want what’s best for the country.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
I agree with that law. So what do you think
the reason, other than being mandated by Congress, which hopefully
would pass and hopefully would have some effect, what would
be the reason for our government to disclose?
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Because enough people have figured out that this embargo, this
truth embargo, is doing tremendous damage to the United States.
It is undermining trusting government along with other things, to
the point where people are predicting revolution. The institutions are dysfunctional.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
You bring that down to this issue, I don’t. I
think a lot of people would feel differently that that’s
not the reason that stuff’s breaking down because this issue,
this feels outside of that, doesn’t it.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
No, it’s not the issue. It is the massive lie.
The presence of ETS is not what’s breaking the trust,
just the fact that government has systemically lied about it
for seventy seven years, while millions of people more every
year realized, no, it’s a lie, it’s not true. And
so when you’ve got a government line that systemically, unless
you’re a dictatorship, which didn’t matter, but in a democratic
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system like this, people will go, yeah, you’ll lie about this,
You’ll lie about anything, and this is not just at
once online I lie about this, and this this happened.
They have to lie every single day. It has also
helped metastasize the entire world of classification and secrecy to
the point that it’s ridiculous. It’s off the charts. And
while it’s not discussed much politically in campaigns because it’s
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one of those third rails, a lot of people know
that we have a huge problem.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Oh, it’s true. The just they classify things that are
so inconsequential and they redact everything, and it really is
not something that needs to be classific Well.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
It’s just not the way a democracy should work. So
we have gone overboard in a lot of areas and
the effects of that total cumulative effects is that we’re
seeing a breakdown in American institutions, trust in government, the
political system. Ending this lie, telling that this great truth
providing an opportunity to the entire human race and the
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American people to look at the world in a different way.
A lot of people have concluded that that is in
fact in our best interest and surpasses whatever reasons existed
for the beginning of this truth embargo and its maintenance
up until the last decade. In other words, nothing lasts forever,
and this can’t last forever, and so that those are
the reasons. But they’re not straightforward, right, they’re not straightforward.
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It’s easy to talk about the defense contractors. We just
want to make a lot of money, right, and anything
that’s going to hurt our chance to do that, we’re
going to suppress. I can make the case that disclosure
ultimately will lead to them making a lot of money.
Some things may be declared under eminent domain, but then
the government will probably come back and joint venture with them.
Other things they’ll be allowed to keep, and so they’re
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going to make a ton of money. So frankly, if
I’m a defense contractor, I want disclosure, right, But you
know I’m not a defense contractor, and so I don’t know.
But if you listen to the internet, you watch the
media and how it’s coverage, it’s clear that the world’s
people and the journalist they want this.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
No doubt, we all want this. Of course, all of
us in this community and the whole world actually would
I can’t imagine anybody not being interested in this if
in fact it’s all true. Steve, in addition to your
amazing work, fighting for disclosure. You single handedly track most
of the articles written in the mainstream media on this subject.
I think you’ve amassed how many fifteen thousand on your website.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
It’s just one of the things I chose to do.
I’m following the media, and I’m linking to the articles
that are from professional press.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Media. We’re talking about we’re not talking about.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
Amazing media, absolutely, And it’s remarkable how much coverage there is.
And most people would know that. Who’s got time to
read fifteen thousand articles? If you go and yeah, the
archive is under resources at Paradigm Research Group dot org
Print Media Archive. I’m going to start promoting it much
more heavily soon. I’ve got hundreds more that I have
to load up. It shows that this has been covered,
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the world has been hearing about this and so forth.
So that’s one of the things I do. Plenty of
institutions and people in government and in business and certainly
in Hollywood pretty much have figured out that it’s almost
over and they are starting to make their moves. And
these moves are primarily directed at what the post disclosure world,
what’s going to be going on then, and how can
we get involved? And so think tanks are forming primarily
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about the post disclosure world. Some of their activities may
help the disclosure process still underway, but pretty much it’s
all about that new Paradigm Institute New Paradigm Institute dot org.
It is very substantial and it is created to deal
fundamentally with the post disclosure world.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
This result Danny Shehan is behind right.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
That’s Danny She’s now Gary Nolan and group and his
group formed the Soul Foundation. This is a think tank
of science.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Think tank.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Why is it being formed. It’s about the post disclosure world,
the science it’s going to be possible in the post
disclosure world. And then you’ve got the UFO Disclosure Fund
that just got formed. That is a fund about the
post disclosure world that is going to be used to
convert it into a small think tank to deal with
the post disclosure world. Hollywood has got projects in the
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works all over anticipating this, and Hollywood Disclosure Alliance dot
org was created to help the content in the post
disclosure world. This is just a taste of what’s coming.
Pay attention. The world is going to change in a
way unseen in human history in terms of the scope
and the rapidity of change. The worldview of more people
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is going to be altered in the fastest amount of time.
Nothing compares to it. And the best way to think
about it is like a scientific paradigm shift. And the
scientific paradigm shift is where we suddenly make a leap
forward an understanding so profound that it now makes it possible.
But take that new understanding, go back and visit a
whole range of scientific issues that we could not deal
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with before. Suddenly we can solve those problems, thus creating
a huge leap forward.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Well put, I really really hope that I am wrong,
and I want him to come up to me and
say I told you so. Jack asked, Listen, go to
Paradigm Researchgroup dot org. It’s an excellent resource. I really
appreciate Steve’s efforts in documenting and cataloging all of these
media reports. It’s an excellent place to go. Check it out. Steve,
yes or no question. Will we be living in a
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post disclosure world next Contact in the desert?
Speaker 4 (42:14):
I think it’s more likely than that.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
This is where we diverge, my friend. Either way, I
will see you at Contact next year. Thank you to
everyone for listening to Beyond Contact. We will be back
next week with an all new episode. You can follow
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