Captain Ron is joined by Investigative Journalist Linda Moulton Howe to discuss controversial aspects of the UFO phenomenon. Linda will also present information on her conversations with whistleblowers.
Captain Ron (00:57):
Hey everyone, it’s Captain ron. Each week on Beyond Contact,
we’ll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of
the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from
the newest cases as we talk with the top experts.
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I’m Captain Rona. Today we’re going
to be speaking with Linda Moltenhowe. Linda, of course, is
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a legend in our community and is known for her
investigative journalism work on the paranormal. She has done documentaries, films, books, radio, TV,
and been writing and reporting on these matters concerning science, medicine,
the environment, UFOs, extraterrestrial life, and all sorts of unexplained
phenomenon for let’s just say a very long time. She’s
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going to be joining us again at contact in the desert.
We’re thrilled about it. Hey, Linda, good see you again.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
It’s great to see you. And it has been half
a century.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Yes. And when I think.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
That’s a lot of work for a fifty two year
old woman to have fifty years.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Of research, I would like to be in my fifties.
I am currently after eighty three revolutions around the Sun,
wishing that I knew a guarantee that I had eighty
three more to not only explore the whole presence of
non humans on Earth, but to go out into the
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Solar System and beyond. Because it is a big story
and the question of why don’t we know more? I’ve
reported so much, and my reports have provoked people in
the government, in medicine, in science, in environment to get
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in touch with me as an investigative reporter and documentary filmmaker.
And they do it because they can’t get answers. And
that takes me back to September of nineteen seventy nine,
I was director of Special Projects at the CBS station
in Denver, Colorado, and I got a call, a phone
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call to my office, are you doing any investigation on
these animal mutilations? And it was the very beginning that
phone call led to my seeking out who is a
sheriff that I can go to, who is trusted and
can take me and show me what he’s finding, the
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polaroid photos, all of it. And that led to Sheriff
Tex Graves in northern Colorado, one of those people who
could be typecasting in a Hollywood film as a trusted
sheriff in a community for years. And when he was
suggested and I drove up there, he had pulled out
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a box had one hundred and sixty six polaroids that
he himself had taken, and he sat down and gave
me a table and I started going through and that
was the very beginning of my interview with him, and
we got to an animal black. He said it was
a black steer and the head was down in a
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hole and the body was on dust and there was
not a track around that body. And I said, how
does the head, how is it down in a hole.
He said, that’s what the deputy and I ask each
other as we walked up to this animal. Whatever is
doing the animal mutilations has the ability to paralyze from
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some place. I think it’s craft in the skies and
they’re paralyzing these animals and there are no tracks, not
the animals tracks or whatever is doing this tracks. And
he said, that’s why we think it’s the beam technology
that ranchers are reporting. They see at night and they’ll
see a beam come down and that’s when a mutilation
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is occurring. And then he told me, he said, I’ll
tell you about the one where I lost sleep. I
called event to go with me. I wanted to do
a knee cropsy in the field and the vet started
took some tissue samples from where there had been an ear, eye, tongue, jaw,
genital’s rectal tissue that was the pattern of the mutilations.
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The vet had taken samples and now he wants to
go in and look at internal organs and starts a
knee cy internal surgery into the chest and Sheriff Grave said,
I couldn’t see clearly. There were shadows, but he said,
suddenly the vet did this pulled up something and said, Sheriff,
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this is part of a whole heart. It should be here.
There’s no heart in here. I am the first, as
far as I know, to cut into this animal, and
this is it. This is all that is left of
what was a heart. So now you have an animal
that has the classic mutilation excisions, but the entire heart,
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which is about the size of a basketball or a
soccer ball, has been taken out of this animal. But
there it was no excisions. And that was the very
first of the interviews, and from that moment on, it
was that description by Sheriff Tech’s Graves. It went into
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me deeply. I’m going to get to the bottom of this.
I had done all this medical programming that deserved and
earned a Peabody in Boston, so I loved medicine. But
I had no idea that when I went on my
first trips having to do with animal mutilation, that it
would be taking me into the world of what kind
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of physics, what technology do we have on earth that
could do this excise a heart from inside the body
of a large cow without any excisions. That was the glue,
that’s what kept me going. And it’s now forty five
years later, I often think of that discussion with Sheriff
text Graves and it became probably a walk through some
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kind of psychological door that over the forty five years,
I realized how many planes I got on in how
many cars to go to pastures where there were animals,
either as bizarre as what Sheriff text Graves showed me
or even stranger, where there would be a mutilation in
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Nebraska and there would be circles camped down in the grass.
And that joined up by the nineties. So the animal
mutilations really started big time in the sixties, not just
in the United States but all over the world and
continue to this day, but not as much. By the nineties.
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Crop formations became another huge phenomena, and I always wondered
if there was a connection. And a Canadian Royal Canadian
Mounted officer that I talked to by phone called me
up and said, I’ve just investigated a case and you
have to see the photo, and they sent me a
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copy of their form. And this was a animal that
was like a muskrat that was found inside of a
circle of down grass, no other tracks around it, and
it had the same type of excision pattern as other animals.
So when I think of talking with people in the government,
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which I have been able to do and in the military,
about do you understand what is this? Why is this happening?
The closest answer has always been it is a harvest
of chemistries and elements from the blood of these animals,
which is because the blo is taken. And why Well, now,
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as we are talking in twenty twenty five, a colleague
and friend of mine, Whitley Strieber, has said, Linda, if
it hadn’t been for your work on cattle mutilations and
the discussions, I might not ever have finally come to
the conclusion that the gray beings that I think have
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well dealt with me, that they probably are responsible for
some of the animal mutilations and they are harvesting materials.
And Whitley has done some investigation at the chemistry level,
and it turns out that the type of copper that
is in the blood of cattle and animals is slightly different, say,
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than ours, and that that would be what he thinks,
that the non humans have some need for this particular
kind of copper for sustenance, and that would mean that
this phenomena was extraterrestrials showing up knowing something about this planet,
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going out into pastures around the world, apparently not caring
whether humans saw and understood or not. Because it became
a really big, huge subject for quite a while and
people were afraid. Why wouldn’t that have been an excellent
place to introduce to the world. We know that this
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is a medical sustenance phenomena. We want to introduce you
and let you know that you don’t have to be afraid.
There is no intent to focus on humans there.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Linda, we got to take a quick break. You’re going
to come back. We’re going to talk Linda more about
this and talk more about this whistleblower that she’s been
talking with as well. We’ll be right back on Beyond
Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact. We’re speaking
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with Linda Moulton. Howell, Linda, I understand you’re also doing
some work with a whistleblower who’s in the aerospace industry.
Want to share some of that with us.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Yes, it is a very important piece and it started
in the year twenty seventeen to twenty eighteen. And it
came through a proton male and in the beginning he
was using phony words and all of that for his name,
but he said, my experience has been decades. That is
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what caught my eye, because people who are at the
end of their life many times are more willing to
talk than people who are in the middle or younger.
Unfolded was I set sent questions and then he would answer,
and I got deeper and deeper answers. And one day
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he sent me it would be in the category of
like a scan that you would do in your computer,
of maybe an ad so nothing original, but he sent
me three of these each one he was identifying Linda,
we have a space force. We have craft that we
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have built with the help of the Tall Whites.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
And then before we actually had a space force that
Trump announcidud.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Okay, yeah, oh yes, it was before and when he
started describing these craft that were extremely large and we
were getting assistance from the Tall Whites, which are supposed
to be seven to ten feet tall, male and female.
And they’re described as being spiritual but extremely strict that
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they set rules and if people defy their rules, they
can be perhaps really more than stern and what amazed
me is as that subject started unfolding. And I’ve never
had anybody ever in my life talking to me off
the record about a space force. And we’re out. We’ve
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been going forty fifty light years with the help of
ets that we are learning how to do dimensional jumps
the way they do. This was an exact quote. He said.
It’s complex, but just think of it this way. We
are in a universe in a dimension, and there are
other dimensions with other universes, and the tall Whites know
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how to move frequencies, and its frequencies are the key
to jumping universes and dimensions. And he said, they can
be in our planet and they can go they want
to go, let’s say forty five light years out. They
know how to do a frequency through a computer that
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will resonate with let’s say dimension two, and the computer
is programmed for a frequency match in dimension two, and
then a change in frequency that will match another dimension
point in dimension four, and they will jump jump through
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these resonant frequencies and then the one that they want
to go to that’s in our universe fifty five light
years away. The computer was told how to hold a
point in dimension five, that would be the matching frequency
in the Earth when they jumped from dimension five and
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they ended up in dimension three at exactly the mathematical
frequency point. And that they can do these jumps in
fifty five seconds. Oh my god, it’s exciting for me
to think that we are headed towards that kind of
physics and this kind of exploration. And meanwhile we are
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at a block on the planet where we still are
not even told that we’re not alone, and that there
are extraterrestrials everywhere and life fills this universe, and that
where I’m hoping that I’m going to learn more about,
even with the help of this current whistleblower whose aerospace.
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When The Pentagon released in December of twenty twenty four,
a headline this universe is conscious, and consciousness is energy,
and energy cannot be destroyed. And therefore there is a hint.
This was the Pentagon hi int. There is a hint
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that reincarnation, the recycling of souls is real, and that
to me is one of the most significant things that
has happened. In the beginning of twenty twenty five, I’ve
been doing tremendously interesting interviews with people who have been
studying after life and cases, and it is outside of
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the extraterrestrial world in the sense that you don’t need
extraterrestrials to investigate after life. But the truth is this
planet has been host to at least three competing civilizations
for two hundred and seventy million years, and we are
at a juncture where there is going to be an
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introduction to aspace force, and I’m hoping that they’re going
to introduce tall Whites and Nordics with it. Wouldn’t that
be a logical place to introduce the planet where we
all feel that everything is dangerous at the human level,
And if they could say and introduce beings that come
from other Solar systems who are here and are willing
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to communicate to us. Finally, yes, we know all about
your planet, and we have other planets that we inhabit,
and let them tell us we are here only to
protect you, and that some of the ets in other
Solar systems need substances from your planet to survive. That
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would be the next bridge of the government finally coming
into the picture and saying we’re going to agree to
help ranchers if they have animal mutilations we’ll have a fund,
but that it’ll all be open now, it won’t happen
very often. We are going to collaborate with the Tall
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Whites and other people from human beings or entities. We’re
going to communicate with other entities from different solar systems
with you all and the Earth now knowing that we’re
not a target, that we actually have helped them and
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they’re going to help us. And as far as I know,
I can say those words because I think that is
true for some, but unfortunately it isn’t the whole picture
and what the government knows that troubles them that we
all need to know. That’s the part now that I
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am hoping through conferences we come together, we share information,
then it’s not taboo for people to come and listen
to the truth, which should make it so much easier
for the government of the United States and collaboration with
other governments to finally, hey, we’re going to open it up,
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and we’re going to open it up first minutes with
beings that we know we are working with and collaborating with.
And I have never understood why they haven’t done that
before now, but hopefully as we go through twenty twenty five,
repeating themes in remote viewers going back to the end
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of the nineteen eighties into the early nineteen nineties, when
the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency in Washington,
d C. Had hired a group of remote viewers to
ask them timeline questions into the future extraterrestrials, What is
the fate of the Earth? And Lynn Buchanan, who was
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one of those talided remote viewers, in one of the
most memorable interviews I’ve ever done, said Linda, when you
get to around twenty five to twenty thirty, something happens
and it affects the whole planet. What would that be?
Why couldn’t telling the whole world now perhaps change a
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future that might have a problem trouble Because Lend Buchanan
and the others always have said the same thing. There
will be something that will affect the whole planet. Could
it be the introduction of ET’s or could it be
the microNOVA from the Sun or something that happens that
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would head towards what they call snowball Earth? Is it geophysical?
Is it introduction of ets to humans?
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Both are huge, they are I really hope it’s the
introduction of ET’s I’ll tell you. That’s what we’re all
here for, right Linda, We’re going to take a quick
break right there. When we come back, we’re going to
talk more with Linda about this and maybe ask her
why the government keeps lying about this after all these years.
If you’re listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and
Coast to Coast AM Normal podcast network, we are back
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on Beyond Contact. It’s Captain Ron. I have the pleasure
of speaking with Linda Moulton how today. It’s been fascinating Linda. Yeah,
what do you think? Why do they keep lying to us?
It’s been eighty years plus, so what do you think.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
I have seen documents that I know that President Dwight D. Eisenhower,
after he was a general in World War Two read
and that other people in the World War Two during
the war and after they knew Eisenhower knew we were
dealing with extra terrestrians. And there was a man who
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was working in the Navy and his name was William
Mills Tompkins, and he before he died, I did a
five hour interview with him about government suppression from World
War Two on of the knowledge that our government knew
in World War Two. And this is what he said, Linda.
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The big truth that this government doesn’t want anybody to
deal with or know about is And he said, I’m
going to tell you World War two was an extra
terrestrial war between different civilizations fought through human bodies. And
he said, the frequency echoes of what happened on this
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planet in World War two continues to this day. And
it was the first time as he said that, and
I believed him. One hundred percent Earth has been humans.
Human population on Earth has been changing so much since
World War Two, and the concept that humanity would be
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so much in conflict that they would even consider nuclear war,
which will end up killing everything everything that is biological
of co there’s no partial nuclear war or explosion. But
if you take William Mills Tompkins sentence world War two
was an extraterrestrial war brought through human bodies, you can
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get closer to the truth and what he meant, because
we talked about it for five hours. If there were
still extraterrestrial civilizations coming and going from our planet, basing
inside of Earth in bases in that they’re never on
the surface, they’re inside our planet. They can go inside
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our moon they have been occupying a base inside of Mars,
inside of Ganymede, the large moon of Jupiter. So you
can have an extraterrestrial civilization filling up a solar system
and they just stay internal to bodies and they harvest
from surfaces, and that there was something like that going on,
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and it absolutely rang true with the nineteen ninety nine
December discussion that I had with the man from the
Defense Intelligence Agency in the World Bank when they talked
to me for seven hours about the fact that there
were three competing extraterrestrial civilizations on this planet. They knew
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about it. William Mills, Tompkins knew about it, Eisenhower knew
about it. Generals knew about it, and it’s all been
covered up, even disdained.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Is that why, because it’s so this is so much
bigger than just et coming here what you’re talking about now,
Is that why they’re keeping it quiet?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Exactly? Yeah, this is the universe is like this, and
we are on an Earth that is being kept a
slightly dumb and blind. And once we we go out,
once we’re whether Elon Musk is going to do the
base on Mars or whoever is going to do the
base on Mars. We’re going to move out into our
solar system. Because those men said it will become very
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important for humans to get out into space, to get
out into other planets, and not just on Earth and
Earth’s moon. And they meant that survival in this universe
is sometimes a question mark because not everything that evolves
and comes to planets like Earth are friendly. They said
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that we are dealing with a reptilian branch that is
extremely mean. They are extremely aggressive. They have been trying
to get rid of certain like gray or blonde, these
fights for two hundred and seventy million years. And finally
as I talk with them, and that seven hours at
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the end, I thought, and I said to one of them,
do you know what it’s like? You’re making me in
my mind? Look through with a new lens at the
garden of Eden’s story in the Bible. It’s all true.
The reptiles came into the garden where the man and
the woman were just becoming conscious, and that reptile did
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a number on evolving humans from that century through all
the centuries to now. We need to be told the
truth and then maybe a whole congealed supportive human all
humans supporting other humans. Forget boundaries on nations or colors
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of skin. Eight billion Homo sapiens knowing the same information,
looking at the same goal. Humanity needs to support humanity
in order to survive in a very complex universe that
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is filled and teeming with life and consciousness.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
You think it’s realistic, though, Would we as humans do that? Yeah?
Would we even let this out and then to see
if this happens?
Speaker 4 (27:25):
It’s an excellent question. It is the question behind all
of the defensive military and intel people. And I guess
what I’m feeling so strongly is if humans knew more
about their soul, not as poetry, but as a physical
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aspect of being a container body being and one that
at the moment of death, because there is recycling, does
transfer into another existence. And that the Pentagon headline may
be getting us ready for more information about what they
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already know of the strong soul aspect of humanity. And
that was that headline in December twenty twenty. Fourth that consciousness,
the whole universe is conscious. Our brains are conscious in
that consciousness, and that consciousness is energy. That is the
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new definition from the Pentagon of the United States, and
energy cannot be destroyed. It will evolve on. And that
was the last sentence, which then hints that reincarnation can
be real.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
And we’ve heard this from physicists before.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Yes, and that is a reason for all of us
to come together at contact and other conferences share these
ideas in safety, so that we all can continue to
evolve more strongly. If we don’t do that, I do
fear that humanity will dissolve in some kind of nuclear war.
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Oh my god, what a waste when you know that
Homo sapiens can be so incredibly creative and wonderful. The
Greek said, a gope hug. I say it every day,
a goppe hug to all of my fellow human beings,
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and it means I see you as a fellow being
and I would never harm you.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Yeah, let’s hope that this happens, because you know what
I mean, we are in danger of blowing ourselves up.
We’ve been talking about it for years, and I really
it could be the oppo is it that we think
people used to fear us knowing about the alien realization,
it may actually save us because that might bring the
world together. As you pointed out, we’re going to take
a quick break here, come back for one more segment
with Linda, and we’re going to talk about some really,
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really unique stuff that I have not heard before. It’s fascinating.
You’re listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on
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Beyond Contact speaking with Linda Molten. How fascinating discussion here tonight. Linda,
can you share with us a little bit about this
incredible thing we’ve talked about earlier about from your book
about these tubes on the craft that some people you
had mentioned the soul a few minutes ago. See how
that ties in here.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
I can remember it was nineteen ninety two, so I
was getting lots and lots of mail because I was
encouraging people to send them to me. And I would
say that at conferences like Contact or whatever they were,
send me illustrations so I can see through your eyes.
And this one morning, it was an eight and a
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half by eleven manila envelope and I cut it off
and I’m looking at beautiful, clean illustration of transparent tubes
with what looked like beings people looks like people in humans, humans, Yeah,
and with it was a very long letter, probably ten
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or twelve pages, handwritten by a woman Linda Porter allowed
her name to be used. And she had had an
experience of seeing herself that she had had rheumatic fever
when she was a child, and she did not know
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until she is abducted and there is a praying madis.
They’re gray, small and taller, and she’s in a room.
There are other humans. They all seemed to be unconscious
in tubes. And her letter and her illustrations are describing
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everything that she saw and what happened, which included telepathy,
telepathic from the praying mantis. And then a gray came
in and she was getting information that they knew that
she had had this disease as a child, and her
heart was going to kill her, and they communicate that
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it is necessary that they take out her current heart
and put in a new one, and that they wanted
to do that for her. And she has illustrations that
are in my book Glimpses of Other Realities, Volume two,
And she described for me only two feet from me
the first time we met, and I asked her about this,
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I said, I still don’t understand exactly how do they
get the heart out of your chest and back in
and tears came to her eyes. I was very close tears,
and she held it. She didn’t break down sobbing, but
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that was like that, and I knew, I am now
I have to be very careful. This is really, really,
really I’ve never seen anything like this before. And I
remember this so well because it was so emotionally dramatic.
And her hand came up in front of me and
she said, this gray being. This is all they do, Linda,
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they just did this. I didn’t feel anything. And he
came back up like this, and she said it was
that bad and telepathically, this is your heart and they’re
going to repair it. And the next thing that she
knows she is waking up. She is in her body.
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What she wasn’t clear. And I asked, did they use
the clear tubes in some sort of a medical transition?
Were they helping people everywhere? Is this why the room
was filled? And Linda Porter and many other people that
I’ve talked to who have been in the tubes or
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seen the tubes, they’re not certain. They’re not certain precisely
about what is is this preservation? Is it rejuvenation? One
person suggest in their case that they thought that they
were being turned back in time to younger selves. So
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all of the everything having to do with these clear,
transparent tubes has to do with extraterrestrial technology and very
advanced what we would call medical issues. That if they
can take their matter hand and that they’re changing the
frequency like the way they jumped dimensions, and that this
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is how the hand went. As she said, imagine my
hand disappearing into my chest and coming out and saying,
look at this, this is my heart. They can do this.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Let me tie into the cattle mutilations you talked about
in the first segment.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
And that there are certain chemistries, certain metals, certain something
that might be in life forms on this earth that
might not be in Talcetti or someplace. Eventually, as the
discussion went on and she became more more strong, I
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realized that what she was repeating is that they must
have showed her images having to do with that the
part that they interact with we would call the soul matter.
Other people have said this too, and some humans have
a hard time with that and they don’t want to
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hear it. And then we investigating, we come up to
those lines and we stop reporting because it makes people uncomfortable.
That’s why in Glimpses of Other Realities, Volume two came
out I think in nineteen eighty nine, five hundred and
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fifteen pages, color throughout. I wanted to do a book
more than in a documentary. It would have all of
these illustrations from people who I have no question they
have described what they have experienced with other beings from
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other places and do it through their mind and I
their letters, their illustrations, and when you get to the
end of that chapter, it flows very naturally through other
abductees who may not have had their heart taken out,
or some been in a tube. But it comes to
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the abduction syndrome that many people in the abductions talk
about how they were healed. I think it was Jacques
Vallet reported about a doctor in France who was just
so depressed that his knee or his leg was giving out,
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and stepped out on a balcony. Saw a light in
the distance, and the light came toward the doctor who
stood on the balcony. A beam of light came down
to his leg where he hurt. The object went away,
and Valet said, and then he stood, and then he
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walked well, how many of those interactions we don’t know
because everything is covered up.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
They don’t report him. Yeah, if we.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Knew, and we let’s jump back to William Mills Tompkins
saying World War two was an extraterrestrial war fought through
human bodies fought does not mean they’re all enemies to humans.
In fact, the implication and what the CIA or the
NSADIA and World Bank said that if humans understood that
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there were non humans who had been involved in the
evolution on this planet, including to the creation of humans
Homo sapien, and that that is why they harvest from
this planet. This is why they come and go, this
is why they have a base. They were here long
before Homo sapien. But where government, religion, and political institutions
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have said no one, this is not true, and we
don’t talk about it, we are now at twenty twenty
five with sort of crippled because if you take all
of William Mills Tompkins’s incredible work about World War Two
and you juxtapose it today on twenty twenty five, what
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he meant was a war is still going on, a
war between reptilians, tall white certain grades. It’s still going on.
It’s just not in our face like World War Two.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Linda, thank you for sharing all of this with us.
We really appreciate it, really really enjoyed your insights, and
we’re going to looking forward to all your talks at Contact.
That’s going to be very exciting.
