Captain Ron’s guest this week is UFO Researcher Peter Robbins as they discuss Peter’s encounter with five UFOs alongside his sister in the 1960s. Peter will share his perspective on true disclosure as well as the degree of misinformation and disinformation in the field of Ufology.
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Speaker 4 (01:11):
Welcome everyone to Beyond Contact. I Captain Ron, and today
we have the absolute pleasure of speaking with Peter Robbins.
Peter’s a prominent UFO researcher, author, and investigator known for
his deep involvement in the study of unidentified flying objects
and extraterrestrial phenomenon. He’s also a frequent speaker at UFO
and paranormal conferences, and has contributed his expertise to numerous
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media outlets and documentaries, always stressing the importance of open,
honest investigation into this subject. In fact, we are thrilled
to have him for the first time ever at Contact
in the Desert this year. On top of all his
incredible work and all his great accomplishments, he’s about the nicest,
most genuine person you can meet, and I am thrilled
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to have him taking the time to chat with us today. Hey, Peter,
beyond Contact, how you doing good? Ron good to be
on the show, no question about it, and we’re really
excited about having you at Contact for the first time. Ya.
You’re going to love this, Peter, I promise you.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
I have had descriptions coming at me for years from
so many different people, and I am looking forward to
soaking it all in and being part of it.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
So I think of you as this great, well spoken researcher, orator, writer,
and I forget that you too are, in fact an
experiencer yourself in a direct eyewitness to a classic UFO event.
In fact, because of your earnestness and your integrity, you’re
on my short list of witnesses that actually help make
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me compelled to believe something real is happening. Here. We’ve
been talking amongst ourselves lately here at CITD, and you know,
sometimes we have these mind blowing synchronicities happen that are
just so profound, and even that sometimes feels so profound
to us that we want to share it with the world,
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like this should be on the evening news tonight. We
get all excited about it, and we imagine how having
an experience of seeing something so paranormal, such as a
bigfoot or a UFO close up as you did, and
we have this sense that, oh, my god, the world
should know that this is real. But then when it
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happens and we share it with a few close friends,
it becomes simply that it’s just hey, that’s a good synchronicity,
or hey, you had a good bigfoot sighting, or you
had a good UFO sighting, and it ends there. The
world doesn’t change overnight, even if ours hats So how
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do you square something like the UFO phenomenon that you
know to be real while living in a world where,
for the most part, people don’t believe it’s real.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
I think we have to begin with an understand that
our human nature allows us to believe, accept, embrace ideas
that we’re comfortable with, or that we’ve gotten to a
point where we can accept, but other ones, especially if
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they’re associated, as the UFO subject has been for most
of its modern life with ridicule. It’s in our culture,
or certainly up until six or seven years ago, when
things shifted somewhat, and I would say we’re in basically
the post disclosure age, although there’s still room for the
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ridicule age. Although there’s still plenty of room for ridicule,
we’re now in an age where, well, conspiracy is kind
of having a golden time. Ten years ago, the world
of conspiracies was considered more or less on the friends
and UFOs being a central one. It can’t be therefore
it isn’t therefore it’s something else. Therefore, let me pat
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you on the head, give you a pseudo scientific explanation,
and be off. We have to get beyond that reality
and understand that there are a great many things going
on that we should be uncomfortable about, or that we
are no part of a much larger matrix community. I’ll
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tell you ron one thing I can say for sure
about myself after more than forty years immersion in this
subject is I’m not exactly sure what’s going on. I
know for a fact as well as I can that
we are not alone, and that those not alone beings
may be interdimensional extraterrestrial under the sea from the dark
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side of the moon here for the last millions of years,
adjusting our DNA as creatures come up. We may be
somebody’s graduate experiment gone horribly wrong. You’re on Earth and
they come back to try to correct it. Stanton Friedman,
one of the great icons and real role models of
UFO research, had a theory, not one hundred percent serious,
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but that Earth was where you got sent if you
screwed up on your own planet, to find out how
messed up things could really be, and then if you
were good, you could go home again. We’re only limited
by our imagination. Fear of the unknown is what all
fear comes down to, and isn’t Are UFOs real? Do
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they represent you know, beings from other planets or other dimensions,
or some dark you know cabal of human beings working
in tandem with them.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
I think it’s important to to not know. I think
that’s the only right answer. Anyone that tells me on
here that they know, I immediately am suspect from that. So
I love people like Whitley Strieber who’ve been studying this
and having these direct experiences for forty or fifty years.
And he says, I don’t know, and even calls them
the visitors. He goes, I don’t even know if they’re alien.
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I like that. That makes it more compelling to me.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
In our work, we see people holding on to what
they can tolerate or what they long for. We know
that through the work of organizations like Peer and It’s
Inheritors and John Macis Association. Also in the work that
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like Rene hern Andez is doing. There are so many
people who report from around the world positive beautific life change.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Initially they report that later Initially it’s like eighty eight
percent hated the experience, but to say Flips, it’s like
eighty five percent thought it was positive. So that’s an
interesting part of that. It’s of course works both ways.
And one we used.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
To argue whether or not perhaps you’re the kind of
person that just was brought up to be more anxious
and more negative and you know you’re going to have
an encounter and you’re going to experience it through the
eyes of fear, or you’re just a more open person
and embracing me unknown and adventurous, and you have an experience,
and it’s just life opening and just life. A firm
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ami and one or that they are have the ability
to affect our lives negatively and positively. So much of
it is still theoretical for me, based on common sense,
logical thinking, and one’s own ability to not let your
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awe get away from you. Sometimes I don’t know about you, Ron,
But in searching for answers and just keeping open to
answers regarding the UFO question, I found some of the best,
at least philosophical postolates in science fiction, because I don’t
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see it in science Somebody like Gene Roddenberry. He was
a showrunner. He created a little show called Star Trek.
We all know what grew up with it. We love it.
But he was a visionary as well, and for me,
that first season was really what it was all about.
I got onto other things after, but the prime directive,
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if you are in the presence of a lesser technologically
advanced society, do not show all your cards. They will
just come undone.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
It’s a great analogy for what we’re facing with anything.
If ets are coming or if they’re going to come,
that’s a great analogy. We need to take a break, Peter.
We’re going to come right back. We’re going to talk
Peter more about his personal experience in how some ways
it purely he is the current state of disclosure. You’re
listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to
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Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact.
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I’m Captain Ron. We are speaking with the esteemed researcher
mister Peter Robbins. Hey, Peter, I found I have another
little rant here. I found this little microcosm of what’s
happening in the world today within your story, and it
fascinated me. I’ve heard you recount the story of when
you finally, years later after your experience, your citing that
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you recalled it and then you were going to meet
with your sister that you had never spoken to about
this sighting and you had in fact yourself forgotten about.
Then when you recall that, you decided to sit down
and ask your sister, Hey, what happened that day? And
as she was recounting the story to you and saying
that there were lights and a craft and windows and
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you guys could see this from the ground. You felt
elated to know that this was confirmation it was real.
There was a second witness to your sighting. But then
her story went on and she diverges. As you were
laying on the ground out cold. She recounts how she
had risen up into a craft and had what we
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would call a classic abduction story. Even though this was
your sister and your close friend, you instantly were like,
wait a minute, this is weird. She’s crazy, and you
yourself were taken back by this story. And I find
it so fascinating because I’ve also heard you say how
the government will talk about like to the sky and
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even now unidentified craft and recordings they have, but the
abduction idea is just too far for them to go.
And yet you felt that personally, So I find that
an interesting thing. I’d like to see you speak to.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Yes, it certainly was a day I’ll never forget. We
have this capacity as human beings to repressed memories. I
joke with people sometimes that if I have other repressed memories,
I don’t remember them because they’re repressed. For me, having
this siding with my sister was simply overwhelming. And it’s
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important to differentiate what happened to us, what happened to me,
from what would happen if the exact same thing happened
to a fourteen year old, twelve year old sister. Right now,
I had never really given the subject any thought. I
had lots of other interests as a kid and older
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time in collecting rocks and bugs and collecting stamps and
studying history, and it’s pretty nerdy and very happy to
be doing those time too.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
This wasn’t in the pop culture like it.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Is in it to the degree. This was the early
nineteen sixties. And you know, the only way that flying
Saucers UFO resonated in my life then was in the movies,
the black and white movies that I would go to
see at our local village theater with great space monsters.
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And you know, it never occurred to me that it
was outside of the realm of what the adult world intuited.
That it’s fantasy and it’s to be enjoyed and it’s
fun stuff. But all of a sudden and a clear
blue sky, there they were coming at high grade to
speed and stopped and I either said helen or look,
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and we looked for a long period of time.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Again.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
At a certain point, my anxiety was so peaqued you’d
think that this is the most amazing thing you’re ever
going to see in your life, and nothing is going
to take your eyes off it. You know they’re there,
you’re you’re you’re safe. And in fact, I went through
a process. I’m sure you’ve bumped into it in your
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work and conversations. I simply call it the checklist reaction.
For me, I went through just rattled off a list
of things in my mind that I knew I wasn’t
looking at planes, kites, blints, balloons, helicopters, flotsam and jetsam
from the ground, strange shaped clouds, flumations of birds. Holy moly, what.
And I became more and more uncomfortable because I knew
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that flying saucers weren’t real, and yet here were these things.
They were like dinner plates, held at a distance from
your face and tipped slightly illiptical. They were all identical.
They were absolutely silent, and around the edge of each
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was dotting that we could only read the way you’d
see windows on an airliner and in hypnotic regression with
Bud Hopkins, and also with my first real mentor, a tough,
no nonsense New York City Police detective named Pete Mazzola,
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who died much too young, but was that crack investigator
of UFOs as well as a great cob. That my
last adolescent attempt to hold on to something rational was
maybe there’s some kind of the exact words I used,
secret government test planes. Yeah, some kind of secret government
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test plane, you know.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
I would say that today.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
It was so overwhelming to me that that memory, within
a matter of a few short weeks, was just tucked away,
and I started to come out of my shellle bit socially,
become more active in school affairs, and do anything possible
to just forget about this. And fourteen plus years later,
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and I could go into why I think it happened
right then and there, above and beyond that, I guess
I was ready to deal with it. That memory came
roaring out of my consciousness one afternoon like a freight train.
I’ve never had anything happen like it before or since,
but it devastated me. I thought I must be going crazy.
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I knew it would have been impossible to forget what
I had forgotten, because it was the most amazing thing
I’d seen. But yet I’d forgotten it, and how is
that possible. One thing that I at least thought through
was when I finally calmed down and said, I have
a witness. I didn’t. Helen and I met on the
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phone for the first conversation we met in real life
the next day. I lived down in New York City’s Chinatown.
She was up in the East Village at Struggling Poet,
and I set the scene rather than described what I remembered,
as you noted the time of day, where we were
standing in proximity to each other, and she just jumped
in mid sentence at a certain point and filled me
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in on what I remembered. That’s when I had this
split reaction of oh my gosh, it’s real and oh
my god, it’s real. And one would think that would
have been enough to change your life, certainly a folkrumth
that you would refer back to. But that’s when my
sister said something to the fact. I don’t remember the
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exact words, but it was either there’s more and you’re
not going to like it. There’s more and I don’t
know how you’re going to feel about it. She said,
I remembered that moment when you kind of peeled out
of my right peripheral vision, and I knew intuitively, you’re
running into the house to tell mom about it, which
was certainly true. And she said, within two or three seconds,
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I saw a beam of blue light shoot out of
one of the bottom of these ships. She said, I
was twelve years old, but I’m not an idiot. I
know you can’t see a beam of light during the day.
But I saw it, and I turned around, and you
were enveloped in it, and it went off and you
fell down. And that’s when I found myself going up
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into the air. And what do you mean, Well, I
just lifted off the ground and I started to go up.
I had long hair, as you remember, I could feel
it blown in the distance. I looked down. There you
were lying diagonally, coming from the lawn to the walkway,
right near the front door. I looked at I saw
the top of our house for the first and only time.
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And then I looked up and I saw the bottoms
of these things getting larger the same way that as
I was running from the scene and everything went blue
for a moment before everything went black. For me, it’s
part of the pattern that so many people experience. It
doesn’t make sense, but it’s absolutely part of what happens.
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Very often. You simply go into a state of she
isn’t this interesting? I you know, I’m no longer filled
with anxiety, or just what a nice day it is,
and how gosh, look at that. You know, For me,
it was how beautiful my mother’s andranger bushes looked, and
how the ants making hello. You know, it’s so And
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she said no, she said, I knew if whatever was
happening stopped, I would fall and die. But the next
thing she’s relating to me is being walked through a
curved metal hallway by maybe half a dozen or so
small beings in one tall one. And when I asked
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her to describe them, she couldn’t say, Well, they were gray.
Isn’t a tall gray? She said, little doctors with big heads,
big black eyes, who could talk to me in my head.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
We need to take a break, Peter. We’re going to
pick up the end of the story when we come
back on the other side of the break. And they
were also going to talk to Peter about misinformation and
disinformation and how that all impacts us getting to the
actual truth of what’s happening here. You’re listening to Beyond
Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
podcast network. We are back with Peter Robbins and he
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is sharing with us the story that his sister was
recounting to him about actually going through an abduction experience
and being up on a table on a ship.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
By the end of our conversation, the only thing we
were unsure of was whether or not we had seen
five or six. And as soon as we got off
the phone, I began work on a very simple drawing
and then a painting of the UFOs in the sky.
I did six so that when my sister came over
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the next day, this oil paint, so it was wet
for a long time, but I was able to hold
my hand over the area where that sixth craft was
on the lower right, and as she came in to
look at it in my studio, I removed my hand
and she said, you’re right it was five because it
was a balanced V. It wasn’t like a check mark.
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And really, I said, you know, one of the things
was how come. We have never talked about this. It’s
been more than fourteen years, and you never forgot, she said,
do you remember? Late that afternoon I came up to
you and I said, do you want to talk about this?
Speaker 4 (21:57):
And you said what I said?
Speaker 5 (22:01):
I said no? She said, dear my brother, I love you,
I respect you. We didn’t talk about it. One day
led to the next, led to the next week, month, year,
and here we are.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Both our lives changed that day massively, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
What about this idea that I was getting to about
how you feel that the government will talk about craft
and talk about these unidentified things on the video and
your reaction to your sister story, how even you reacted
to the abduction part of the story. That was almost
a bridge too far, at least for a moment for you.
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And you can imagine how people in society today that’s
a little too far. They’re open to the lights and
maybe the craft. But now, wait a minute. Abduction.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
When this house dropped on my life, I was completely
unequipped for it, and in any respect except obsession, I
was driven to learn more about what had happened, what
had happened to my sister, And I guess I could
say at that point when the nineteen seventies, when Bud
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Hopkins was just beginning to get involved in abduction research
a few other people. Of course, in the Betty and
Barney Hill case, I guess the mantra was it’s okay
to talk about the cars, but it’s not okay to
talk about the drivers, and the world of UFO studies
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was dominated, I guess to a degree it still is
a way by middle aged white guys concerned about being
taken seriously in the world. And it’s one thing to say,
I’ve studied these radar returns, or I’m looking at this
tracee case where this organic material has been affected by
its proximity to this or the witnesses in the neighborhood.
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But when you start talking about them taking you, it’s
it’s all of a level. Yeah. I think a lot
of people who think of themselves as skeptics maybe really
are debunkers. There is a mantra for me that I
associate with the bunkers that I mentioned. It can’t be
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therefore it isn’t therefore it’s something else. And when you’re
confronted with the fact that, oh no, it’s not something else,
it is what it can’t be and I’m stuck with that.
How do we make this more palatable? Well, right now
we don’t. We’re in a transitional period, call it a
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disclosure process where every day more and more people care
less and less about what other people think about what
they think about UFOs. It’s either in culturation. There’s a
zillion television shows out there. Everybody knows somebody who takes
it seriously and is worthy of respect. Not like the
old days where it was that one friend of you know,
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my flying sauce or friend. And as opposed to, hey,
you know, I was listening to a vilbe on National
public radio the other day, do an interview. It’s like, whoa,
this guy is so mainstream Now it’s just, you know,
no big deal, except that it is a big deal.
And for every one of these individuals who says, you
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know what, there is something here, and whether it’s just
as a private citizen having heard this whistleblower on this
congressional investigation or read this book, or listen to a
dialogue between a good friend of mine who knows a
lot about this, and it’s happening, but one, two, seven,
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eighteen people at a time, real disclosure. Well, you know
Steve Bassett, who really has been such a pioneer and
visionary in establishing I guess the right climate and forums
for this process to continue. The idea that I think
some of us had at the beginning was there will
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come a day or night when every world leader pretty
much will time going on television at the same moment.
My fellow Estonians, my fellow Brazilians, my fellow.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
It’s my whole world. Like the pandemic, we all experienced that.
There you go, and isn’t it interesting. It’s like five
years now, within a few days of the pandemic coming down.
I hadn’t experienced. Maybe some other people did.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
I was coming. I had a ship of a bridge
too far. I had done one last conference, and I
was now waiting for a long time at Doubles International Airport,
which was totally empty for a flight. What I started
to think was, wait a minute, possibly right now, everybody
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in the world, pretty much with the exception of you know,
well tens of millions of people, we’re all thinking about
the same thing at the same time. That is really
something I have never really thought about, and thinking that
there will be an aspect of disclosure because you can’t
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put that toothpaste back in the tube. Once it comes out,
that will be like that as well. Boy, that is
a very interesting point you bring up. It’s a little
mind blowing right now. Again, we don’t have world leaders
going on, you know, major media at the same moment,
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but we do have individuals sorting it out as they go.
And sometimes it’s just another person that they knew, or
that one account that they saw on ancient aliens that was,
you know, really so compelling and so well done, or
that documentary or that book, or a good friend, just
some who says, I don’t you know, We’ve known each
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other for years, but I never told you. I’ve had
every permutation of it happen, and some of them have
knocked me out of the box to a degree. That
fear of ridicule, that fear of the unknown. If this
is true, well what else is true? And when you’re
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again coming back to your main point, it’s it’s okay
for us to talk about lights in the night sky
and even these things is craft from other dimension, other places.
But once we start getting into this thing of them
taking people and all that goes with it, and the
account was.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Apparent in us that that’s scary, whether it be humans
or another race taking us just that whole idea, of.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Course it is. It’s being kidnapped. On a certain level.
There are cases where we have to ask ourselves worthies
people return learned literally all the cases I’ve dealt with
over decades, that has been the case. But we’ve got
a lot of missing people out there, and that has
become part of the subculture of UFO Studies. Is this
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part of that matrix as opposed to residents serial killers
living in all of our state parks. We believe often
in life what we can tolerate believing, and the rest
of it we fudge around a bit to make it
fit and hope that it doesn’t jar what we laughingly
call our own reality too badly.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
And everybody’s got their own paradigm. It’s fascinating to learn
that I’ve learned that over the years of doing this,
how people have their own little paradigm, even among this community.
Look at how all of us have a different view
of what we think is real. We’re going to need
to take another break there, Peter. When we come back,
we’re going to ask you more about this misinformation and
disinformation and how we can get to the truth of
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what’s happening. Listening to the Beyond Contact show on the
iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We
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are back on Beyond Contact. We’re speaking with Peter Robbins. Peter, unfortunately,
you have personally been involved in multiple cases where there
is at a minimum an uncertainty as to what the
truth is. Your trusting nature and integrity may have backfired
on you, things like your book with Larry Warren left
at the East Gate, where afterwards you realized Larry was
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most likely lying about his account. Also, you are in
a documentary recently I called The Manhattan Leen Abduction that
describes Linda I think It’s naple Donald’s plain to Hannah
thank you, claim to have been repeatedly beamed into a
spaceship from her bedroom. This was chronicled by your friend
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Bud Hopkins’ book titled Witness, The True Story of the
Brooklyn Bridge Abduction. What is happening here? Do you think?
Are these people just seeking some sort of fame? Do
they think they’re going to get money from this wall?
Are they embroiled in a disinformation campaign?
Speaker 5 (31:32):
What is happening in these two particular cases, I think
that’s a mischaracterization. Larry Warren was in the Air Force,
was stationed at RIF bent Waters may well have had
UFO related experiences when he was younger, particularly with his mother,
who I extensive interviewed extensively, as well as Bud. Also,
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I don’t think that was anything that draconian. Larry. He
longed to be a rock and roll musician and be famous,
and that wasn’t in the cards. But looking back on
our lung relationship and on others people’s takes of the
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information that has come up over the years to counter
some of his claims that he wanted to be famous
for something. It was not part of any conspiracy. It
was not, in my mind anyway, not acting as a
disinformation agent. And it was this event that he inserted
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himself into that didn’t involve real people, and it’s an
important UFO event that got him what he was looking for.
Unfortunately for me, I had never really thought much about
somebody working to intentionally mislead me so that I could
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be assisting them into a position of notoriety.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
It’s a weird thing to be notoriety and fame. I mean,
it’s not it seems so silly to me that someone
would desire this.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Oh boy, I’ll say, it doesn’t come with a lot
of fun stuff as far as I’m concerned. But that’s
the way it is for some people. And he was
very good at what he did. I certainly helped convince
many well known people and many of our readers over
the years that in fact his account was fully authentic.
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In fact, it was not.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
The problem with this, Peter is a lot of other
people now say to me specifically that see it’s they
think they’re all. Larry warnes that every one of these
cases is not real. That is disingenuous.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
I think they’re very much the exception to the rule.
So one of the point you just made, how many
people do you know that want to be famous for
having some strange, isolating, exotic experience happened to them. Maybe
culture is shifting and that’s now becoming more acceptable, but no,
I don’t think so. Also, that desire to kind of
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be a working class hero, a somebody who stands up
to the establishment, and that was certainly part of what
I respected him for going up against the Air Force
Office Special Investigation, the Air Force itself, the National Security agency,
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except that even though he was the whistleblower on the case,
it was either secondhand information or it’s such a stew
of truth and fiction, innuendo, exaggeration, outright lies.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
It’s the biggest decision. We don’t have enough trouble in
this community understanding what’s happening. Now You’ve got guys like
this with misinformation and disinformation, and it drives me crazy
because we’re just trying to get to the truth here.
I wanted to get your opinion on the doctor Greer
idea that this UFO information is housed in an unacknowledged
black project. Therefore it’s sort of outside our official government channels.
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Therefore it doesn’t really matter if we pass any of
these disclosure bills or what Aero says about collecting all
the government documents, because they’re not the ones who have
those documents. What do you think about that idea?
Speaker 5 (35:34):
I’m pulled both ways. He certainly made contributions to our field,
but at the same time he is on record repeatedly
with outrageous statements like all aliens are good. That’s just
insulting to one’s intelligence. How could anybody know something like
that empirically or I’m putting forward a number. There are
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fifty six different races visiting it discredits all of us
when somebody postulates that. I’d also like to say that
in the case of Witness, the true story of the
Brooklyn Bridge UFO abductions and Linda Politano, that case which
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came to Abud in nineteen eighty nine was something that
he worked and studied and investigated for five full years.
I was his assistant all through that period of time,
and I guess, with the sentimental exception of my sister’s experience,
this thing that brought me into this, the most important,
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the most profoundly well documented, and for me, paradigm shifting
UFO case I have ever worked on or looked into
in my life was Linda’s experience. What we saw released
in October as a three part documentary miniseries on Witness
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the book but having title having nothing to do with it,
was a travesty. It was a deal that was made
between Bud Hopkins, extremely embittered and now deceased ex wife
who when their marriage broke up. Well, we all know
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relationships where one person is going suffered more than another,
But in my life, nobody has come back to trying
to destroy their spouse or the memory of their spouse,
or their credibility more than Carol Rainey did with Bud Hopkins.
And Linda was literally fooled into participating in that so
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called documentary which only aim was to just joy her
credibility and her reputation, as I was fooled coming into
that documentary as well. And we are taking Netflix, the
two production companies in England that we were passed through,
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and a number of named individuals to court on this.
Whether or not it goes to trial, we don’t know
which again is in process right now.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Well, good for you because you know a lot of
these people, a lot of these different cases. We hear
these stories of how production companies or whoever take advantage
of people and they misrepresent their words, and that of course,
for me, is a very very hard line in the sand. Peter,
we’re out of time. I got to stop there, but
I really want to thank you for coming on and
taking the time with us, and I can’t wait to
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see a contact in the desert. You’re going to love it.
