Enjoy this week’s episode as Captain Ron sits down with Researcher and Author Alexis Brooks to explore the deeper connections between UFO phenomena and the true nature of reality.
Captain Ron (00:54):
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Speaker 4 (01:07):
With the top experts. Welcome to Beyond Contact. I’m Captain Ron,
and today we’re going to be speaking with best selling author,
award winning journalist and researcher Alexis Brooks. Alexis also produces
and hosts the Higher Journeys podcast, where she interviews experts
on topics ranging from metaphysics and spirituality to UFOs and
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the Paranormal. She’s a featured expert on the History Channels
series The Proof Is Out There, and she’s also been
a speaker numerous times at Contact in the Desert. I
think that’s where I met you, right, wasn’t that like
in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
You think so much time has gone by, You’ve been
so busy, Ron, we don’t even remember.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Yes, indeed, oh I think you.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Indeed we did. Yes, if I may say, and thank
you so much. I’m so delighted to be here. Yeah.
You and I were on the co hosting side of
the event when I believe it was this grand reception
where all the speakers were coming down the staircase and
you and I were, you know, Eric von Danigan, come
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on down, Nicky, come on down, and oh it was
so much fun. And here you are years later, owning
the joint.
Speaker 6 (02:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
I mean, that’s that’s good stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
So many incredible things happened to Contact. You know, the
Dolans met at Contact in the Desert. The HDA was
formed of Contact in the Desert. David grossch happened during
Contact on Monday, watched it. You were there. It’s a
synchronistic thing about that event. I’ll tell you I.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Think so well. First of all, in kudos to just
the history of this this event. This is known as
the largest UFO conference in the world, and for good reason.
I mean, there’s been a legacy. I think it started
at Joshua Tree, if I recall in fact, that was
the first one that I attended, and his year after
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year brought out the thinkers and thought leaders of this field.
And you know I was thinking about before we got
on run today. Twenty seventeen is obviously an evergreen moment
in our minds. We all know what happened in twenty
seventeen with that article that Leslie Keene and Ralph Blumenthal
dropped on us via the New York Times, and I
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always use that as a marker. Obviously there was a
lot of activity prior to that, particularly within our little
circle here, but this is when the world got to
see that this is a subject that is now worthy
of being taken seriously. And although it’s not as ubiquitous
as I would like it to be at this moment,
look at the ground that we’ve covered and the distance
that we’ve come. Really even in the last couple of years,
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the last year so there’s some great things happening. So yes,
contact in the desert is a necessary event for I
think all people, those that are you know, buffs in
the UFO field and those that are just wanting to
know more about it. We’ve got to get more people involved.
This is a big deal. Really excited to.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Think so, and I think I agree with of course,
the twenty seventeen was a watershed moment.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
And yes, that’s the word.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yeah, evolved since then. You know, you’ve been looking at
this topic for a long time, and you look into
the true nature of reality. So I want to know
you’ve been looking at that a long time. Have you
figured it out? What is the nature of real I.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
Wish, Oh my god? You know ron the entry point
and the impetus for my doing all of this work,
and as you know, it extends beyond the field of ethology.
And yet that is such a large part of this
whole big question of you know, what is our purpose here?
What is the mission? And you know, what is the cosmos?
And how does this thing we call planet Earth work
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and we in it? And I don’t really understand or
know necessarily when my understand I don’t really know when
that moment came where I realized that the UFO understanding
the et UFO question was an integral part to understanding
the nature of reality. And yet somehow I knew instinctively
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that it was I deal primarily with individuals who have
had experiences, have had contact encounters. I always say, I’ve
been not as interested in the mechanistic aspects, but more
in the human aspect and what we’re engaging with. And
I always say we have skin in the game because
if we are a part of these contact encounters, and
we are a piece of this puzzle, and so in
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understanding the nature of reality, I think it’s important that
we understand who we’re interfacing with in order to understand
who we are. You know, the biggest discovery is I
told miguelman Dunsa in the book We Are the Disclosure,
the biggest discovery is self discovery. And I really think
that the more we learn about this enigma, this phenomenon
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that we’ve been integrally involved with, the more we will
understand about who we are.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
It also seems that you think that this topic, that
this alien contact that we have is way more common
than most people think.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
I do. I do as a matter of fact, I
gave the lecture two years ago at Contact in the
Desert entitled Unconscious Contact? Are you an experiencer and don’t
know it? And it came out of my you know,
just having conversations with the lay person on the street.
You know, they ask what do you do? You tell
them and next thing you know, they’re telling you a story,
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or they may have just an above average curiosity or
interest in the subject, and you know, I started to
look at clues into this and I put the question
out there, could it be that contact with non human
intelligence is far more common than we know. I got
to interview lots of people for the lecture that I gave.
I actually gave that lecture also in Australia back in
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twenty eighteen or nineteen, and through my research, although I
cannot say definitively everyone is having contact, I do believe
that it could be perhaps the majority of our planet
and it comes in very very nuanced ways. I won’t
go into all of it, just unless you want me to.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Are there what proof is that? What would tell you that?
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Well, let me just say this about proof. The only
place you will find proof is in mathematics and in
alcohol Okay, well as one hundred proof, and I’m borrowing
that from somebody else. But I always say that I
have no proof. In other words, but I think there
are there’s ample evidence to show that something interesting is
going on with a lot of individuals. Let’s take one example.
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Let’s take phobias. It’s one of the key areas that
I zoned in on when it comes to this possibility
that more people may be having contact. Think of the
phobias that people have that are more common, like fear
of heights, fear of flying, fear of doctors, etc. Okay,
they’re very common. Most of us have some kind of
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a phobia. But I started looking ato phobias that are
lesser known, like fear of clowns, fear of combs, like honeycombs,
just things, fear of satellites. But I started compiling all
of these things and I try to perhaps look at
the entry point for where these fears may have come from.
Let’s take sunflowers as an example. I’m trying to think of.
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Is that helianthropus. I don’t know if you can look
it up. I might be able to look it up
with the name of it. It’s Heliopolis, something like that
when you look at the construction of a sunflower. You see,
what’s the first thing that comes to your mind when
you look at a sunflower?
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Well, super fast, I would say, kind of an eyeball, exactly.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Well, there’s two things that I see. I see a
very large eye, but I also see if you look
at the underside of some of the craft that have
been reported really more of the conventional you know, flying
sauce or exterior, the underbelly of that craft could resemble
a sunflower. Now, look, I’m bringing some very some very
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sort of obscure and abstract ideas. And you know, again
I go into exhaustive detail in the presentation when I
talk to some people, and believe it or not, the
phobia sunflower, as an example, is enough where people have
it’s been named, it has a name to it. Why So,
you know, I started looking at these variety of phobias
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and I started linking them to possible what we call
screen memory. This is a very very common term in
the experiencer side of euthology, where people will have encounters
but for whatever reason, the encounters are so jarring that
either perhaps our own brain is masking it to look
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like something else and or the phenomena that we’re interacting
with itself maybe masking the phenomena in its rawest form.
And this really started with some work I was doing
with Mary Rodwell, who was looking at the clown phobia,
which is a common common phobia, and where that might
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come from. And she came to the conclusion through a
number of regressions with people that had that fear, that
they in fact were in an abduction experience. I saw
their encounter initially as having the being itself looking like
a clout.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
We got to take a quick break here. When we
come back, we’re going to talk more to Alexis about
this and then see how consciousness can play a role
in this whole phenomenon. You’re listening to Beyond Contact on
the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network.
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We are back on Beyond Contact. We’re talking with Alexis Brooks.
So you’re one hundred percent convinced that we’ve been contacted
by some form of NHI. What convinced you of that?
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Well, I’ll correct you just slightly. Ryan, I’m not going
to say I’m one hundred percent convinced. I have to
put this out as sort of a caveat. We’ve got
to be so humble in terms of making these definitive statements.
I believe I have a sense, I have a very
strong sense that our interaction what we now call NHI
or non human intelligence, is something that’s been happening for
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a very very long time. It’s just as far as
I’m concerned, it’s in your face. But here’s where it
gets really gray. And forgive, forgiven, for forgive the pine
that just kind of came out there. And I don’t
want to lose my train of thought here, But you
look at you know, we have this sort of notion
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of what denotes non human intelligence, and the first thing
that comes to mind is the extraterrestrial reality, that is,
beings that may come from there to here. That is
a very fundamental notion of what they are. But we
also know, or those that have done deep research into this,
is that there are many other aspects of non human
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intelligence that may include interg dimentional, extra dimensional. We’re now
looking at the fairy realm, the orb realm that’s coming
up a lot in these conversations. So what is it
that we that that constitutes non human intelligence? You know,
I think I think there’s a spectrum. There’s something very
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interesting to me about the lines that we’re seeing start
to blur between the contact phenomenon, the shadow being phenomenon
is something that’s also very very common, the ghostly realm,
all of these. Let’s talk about our friend Whitley Strieber,
who really really believes that the whole afterlife realm is
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inextricably linked to the contact encounter phenomenon.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Absolutely angelic being the most absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
So getting back to in the first segment, you were
asking about my interest in the nature of reality. This
in order to really start to become inquisitive and dive
into trying to answer that question, we have to look
at the spectrum. The worst thing we can do is
look at all of this in a vacuum, because I
think we’d be missing a big part of the puzzle.
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So again, one hundred percent convinced. Those are kind of
strong words, but my sense is that we have been
inextricably linked with these other realms of plural.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
What is your strongest piece of evidence that points in
this direction.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
Well, there are a couple of things I will say
to you. In all honesty, I believe myself to be
an experiencer.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
What’s that I said? No to me? Of course, beyingould
tell me the truth. We got.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
This really, I think speaks to my own thesis about
the fact that contact in some form or fashion is
far more common than we know. And I have to
start with my own experience, not only as an adult,
but as a child having a UFO encounter. It’s a
very very vague memory, and frankly it didn’t really come
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to like for me until I started getting into this
research where I started to have sort of a murky
memory of being in the back of the car when
my parents were driving I believed to Ohio and I
saw a cylindrical shape craft. I think, and I stress.
I think because you know, it’s like a dream when
you have a dream and you come out of the
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dream with only little teeny details and you start to
question whether did I really dream that? That was kind
of the sense that I got with my own experience.
But I started to build upon that and say, my
goodness is I look back at some of the some
of my own experiences as a child. Something starting to
take shape here. And then in two thousand and five
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I had to profound what you might call transformative or
peak experience that I can’t say, cannot say absolutely included
contact as we know it classically, but I will tell
you that it was otherworldly. I try to be careful
when I use these words, but there was definitely a
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presence that came in into my life at that time,
lasted for three months, showed me things, brought back memories,
left me with a mark on my chin. I know
this is an audio podcast, but there is a triangular
mark on my chin. That’s another long, long story. But again,
I took all of these things here. I am a
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researcher having these experiences, experiences that are adding to the
richness of my own hypothesis. So I don’t think we
as researchers can really truly be in the depths of
this unless we have an experiential aspect of our own
I don’t know.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
It’s well, when you reflect on this, does it fall
into a category for you? Like now, would you if
you had to make a let’s call it a guest,
would you think that that was an extraterrestrial thing, an
inter dimensional thing, or a spiritual event? Where would you how.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
About all of the above extraterrestrial I’d probably exclude because
to me, we’re on extraterrestrial. When we think what is extraterrestrial,
it’s beyond the human Earth, not on Earth. But we
tend to think of it as a physical intelligence, physical
that comes from A to B, a being out there
or up there to terrestrial to terra firma when we
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think of and this is something else that’s coming up
a lot in very very formal discussions, not the least
of which is the UAP hearing that happened I think
in November. Now my experience, I tend to believe it
was probably a hybrid of a spiritual slash interdimensional because
there was a voice. This included a form of information
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that was being downloaded to me on a consistent basis,
twenty four hours a day. Frankly, I was having downloads
in my sleep, downloads in my waking life. As I said,
I was left with a really unusual obsession with triangles,
believe it or not, and then a later realization that
I have this mark of this triangular mark on my
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chin that I never noticed before. So something happened, and
something happened to me. I still I am at a
loss as to the significance, but it certainly plunged me
more into the reality that we’re interacting with other realms
on a constant basis.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
I know you don’t say one hundred percent, but you
think that it’s leaning towards that most people have had
part of this happen to them. It’s part of the
human experience. Do you think the unconscious contact is vastly
more popular than a constant conscious contact?
Speaker 5 (17:35):
Absolutely? I do. Indeed, I mean, let’s look at the
let’s look at the numbers. Now I can’t say what
the numbers are, but think about the people that live
what we call a normal life. They watch Netflix and
the football, and they God bless them, I do too sometimes,
but they have no conscious interest or active or proactive
interest in these subjects. And yet there are certain features
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that them out as you get to know them, or
certain things that will emerge. Even the skeptics. And let
me make a point about this, because I talked about
this in the in the presentation that I did unconscious contact. Skeptics,
those who go out of their way to disprove the phenomenon,
got me quite curious as to where the veracity or
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the or their passion about disproving comes from. And when
I did some research speaking to other researchers and other
people in this field, come to find out that quite
a few of these individuals were not only skeptical of
the phenomenon, but perhaps in denial about their own encounters.
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And I actually highlight one person who was a somebody
lived out in California and went to local movef on
meetings and he allegedly went to debunk the individuals that
were they’re telling their stories, and over time, as he listened,
came to find out that he himself was having contact
and found himself in this environment, you know, realizing that
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he himself was a contact ee. I was looking at
somebody like Michael Shermer, God bless him, the most professional
skeptic out there, who himself he has not fully come forward,
but he himself has had some experiences that have started
to slow down his you know being, So you know,
you can say that yeah, oh yeah, I don’t know
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if it was a contact encounter per se, but he
definitely had some sort of experience. I can’t I can’t
recall what it is off the top of my head that’s.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Questioned someone like, yes, you have a real full blown
abduction experience. To come out and talk about it. That’s
what we need for real.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Yeah. Well, again, I’m not convinced that a lot of
these people that are so voisterous about being skeptical are
are they really telling the truth or could they be
hiding something themselves?
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Well maybe not consciously. You just said that you believe
that most of the experiences are unconscious experiences anyway, so
they may not genuinely conscious, remember them.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
Right, But the fact that they’re so adamant and so
outspoken about disproving in and of itself. When you look
at human psychology, step back from that for a minute
and say, where is this energy coming from. It could
be coming from a point of denial, but yes, that
would constitute unconscious contact as well, or let’s say semi conscious,
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because I think they know something is going on, but
they don’t want to they don’t want to admit it.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Okay, let’s take another break right there, Alexis. When we
come back, we’re going to continue this conversation and we’re
going to get more into the consciousness aspects of this.
You’re listening to Beyond Contact right here on the iHeartRadio
and Coast to Coast am Paranormal podcast.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
Network.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
We are back on Beyond Contact and we’re speaking with
Alexis Brooks about interacting with non human intelligences. Alexis, your
show seems to be a lot about consciousness. How do
you think that plays a role in the whole contact
experience specifically.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Well, first thing I want to say is I’m happy
to hear that the excuse me, the word or the
term consciousness has I think formally entered into the zeitgeist
of ufology. We first have to ask ourselves the question
what is consciousness? What does it encompass? You know the
fact that there may be this grand consciousness feel that
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we are all inextricably linked to and is as well
as these others if you will Nhi And is this
a field, if we’re all swimming in it? Is this
the conduit for contact to happen? Now, there’s been this
term that I know many in the audience are going
to know because there are people that follow this work,
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and that’s a term called psionics, And that is a
term that has been made popular in recent weeks, just
weeks by one Jacob Barber. Of course, I’m sure many
people saw the groundbreaking interview with Ross Cultured over on
News Nation and Jake being a UFO whistleblower talking about
his own experience in a crash retrieval program, but went
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on to talk about the more consciousness based aspects, including
the psionics part of this whole thing, psionics being let’s
break down what psionics is, because I think there are
a lot of people that are still kind of like
I think I kind of know, but I’m not sure.
The term psionics, first of all, comes from the fifties.
I believe it’s the fifties, maybe even a little earlier,
by a man named John Campbell. He was a sci
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fi writer. From what I understand, he had a pretty
kind of messed up background in terms of his upbringing.
Ended up being this really kind of eccentric guy that
was into metaphysics but also sci fi, and he coined
this term. In my best understand is it’s really the
merging of PSI being psychic ability to lepathy esp you know, telekinesis, psychokinesis,
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et cetera with technology. That’s the piece that a lot
of people aren’t really clear about. So as we’re having
this conversation that’s happening when it comes to psionics being
a means by which to interface with non human intelligence.
There seems to be a technological or a digital framework
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that’s also a part of this that makes it a
little bit murky. So that’s yeah, yeah, it’s very.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Consciousness or even the psionics part of this relates to
other paranormal experiences aside from ET contact.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
I absolutely do.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Well.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Look, I think that all experiences that we call SI
related are connected. I really do. How we don’t know?
I think the big I think the big thing is,
you know, the common denominator there is consciousness itself, because
consciousness apparently is not confined to a closed loop. It’s
not confined to a closed system. It’s an ever, it’s
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an omnipresent phenomenon that we’re never without. It seems even
beyond death. So if that’s the you know, many there’s
so many names for it. Ron we call it the field,
the Acastik field, the zero point.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
I was littlely going to ask you what you thought
about the Acahak record, or or they call it the
collective unconscious, like Carl Jung called it that. I think
it’s seas to call it the contact record.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
All of these things are the divine matrix, even you know,
and we don’t know. We can only use as humans.
All we can do is come up with our best,
you know, verbiage to express what this may be. But
we can just call it a field of awareness that
we are all somehow linked to and some people, you know,
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when we get back to this idea of psionics, you know,
some people are more proficient in using a psionic approach
than others. It’s like anything else. But I’m just extremely
pleased to see that the conversation with conscious or this conversation,
the UFO topic at large, is now starting to encompass
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the consciousness phenomenon, the consciousness topic.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Okay, so if these non human beings have their own
consciousness and it’s all tied in with ours, what do
you think the motivations for non human infligences is? Is
there any way to speculate on that? Do you have
any thoughts.
Speaker 5 (25:36):
The motivations for them contacting us? You mean, huh? I
think they’re a myriad of motivations. I can name some
that have been discussed that have been surmised. Again, I
want to be very clear, I don’t know for sure
these are.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
All on nobles and I always state that. So, yeah,
we’re specially rightly. But what is your speculation? You study it,
you look at it all the time, you talk to people.
Speaker 5 (25:57):
What I guess as I’ve spoken with individuals that have
had firsthand encounters and what I have heard and what
I surmise, it seems as if we have there’s a
symbiotic relationship at some level between us and them. Where
it began, I don’t know. Does it come from a
genetic link that we may have was some of these beings.
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Does it come from the fact that we ourselves may
be hybridized in some way? These are all questions that
have come up before. I did a book with a
miguelman Doohnsa and Barbara Lamb. When I say I did
a book, I actually narrated the book called Meet the Hybrids,
The Lives and Missions of et Ambassadors on Earth. I
believe this is the subtitle, and it’s about eight individuals
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who believe themselves to be human alien hybrids. And they
go into exhaustive detail as to how they came to
that realization and how they live their lives accordingly since
their understanding of that. And it was fascinating to narrate
that book because it allowed me to broaden my perspective
even more as to all of the entry points into
this subject, and there are multiple entry points. But that’s
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one of them individuals who feel themselves to be a
mixture of alien in human DNA. And so let me
just say this, going back to your original question, what
might one of the interests on the part of the
beings be, Well, they have skin in the game too
when it comes to perhaps the creation of us at
some level. That’s just that’s just one. But it seems
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like we I can’t say it enough, that we are
at some level a part of them and they us,
and they have an interest in us. Richard Dolan has
said this many times, God bless him. We’re interesting folks.
Why wouldn’t Why wouldn’t they have an interest in us?
Speaker 4 (27:42):
But are you talking to that’s interesting? I’m I’m yet
to find much of that.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
You.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
I don’t know.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
The thing is a tough one. I mean, I gotta
be honest, that’s you know. I mean, these are human
looking beings that you’re talking to that are clearly appear
to be human. And I know there’s a lot of
research by David Jacobs and others that have these accounts
of people saying that there are hybrids out there. How
do we know such a thing? Though, I feel like
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that’s it seems like that would be provable, wouldn’t it.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Well, again, the word proof I tend to back away from,
but evidence I have seen.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
I with the rest of the world, alexis, I know you’re, you’re, you’re,
you’re like that, But I’m pretty pragmatic resistant when you
look at it. First of all, here’s the thing, you’re saying,
most of the world. Most of the world, by the way,
I don’t think I would be surprised if most of
the world will be sold one hundred percent at any
given time.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
That this is a reality. And there’s a lot of
wise to that, not the least of which is indoctrination,
social indoctrination, and the fact that I think that there
are camps that have not wanted us to know the
extent of our relationship with these other beings are other
worlds and dimensions. So I’m not holding out a lot
of hope for this being a mass phenomena in terms
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of recognition. This goes back to the idea of disclosure.
Will disclosure be something that’s definitive that everyone will say
unequivocally we now know. I don’t know, but for those
of us that have an inkling are not afraid to look.
The evidence is overwhelming that not only are we interacting
with a multitude of species, but that we are connected
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to them in a multitude of ways.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Even like you mentioned Streeber, how he feels like it
has to do with the afterlife, it could be our
souls that we’re connecting with. There does definitely seem to
be some sort of overlap with a lot of these modalities.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
Actually, absolutely absolutely yes. The work of Free I don’t
know that they go by Free anymore. The Foundation for
Research into Extraterrestrial Intelligence it’s now another name, but they
did an exhaustive study, a brilliant study, I think of
four thousand plus respondents talking about the contact modalities and
all of the things that are associated that have historically
been separate, like out of body experience experiences, near death experiences,
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shamanic encounters, and how somehow there’s a common thread that
links all of these together. So it’s quite fascinating.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
We’ve described that entire study is fascinating, and I think
we need more of that. I think that sort of
scientific study is going to move this down the field.
Let’s take another break right here. When we come back,
we’re going to continue our conversation with Alexis. You are
listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio on Coast to
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I’m Captain Ron. We’re speaking with Alexis Brooks. Hey, Alexis,
I read that your favorite quote is from Richard Feynman
and he says that it does not harm to the
mystery to know a little more about it. It does
great quote. How does that fee into your way of
looking at these topics?
Speaker 5 (31:07):
Yeah, it does no harm to the mystery to know
a little bit more about it. Richard Feinman a physicist
by the way, right, I think the reason why I
gravitated to short to quote. I’m a quote person. I love
different quotes that speak to this philosophy. Again, as I
said in the last segment, I think that they’re from whatever.
For whatever reason, there has been a mission to somehow
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keep the masses blind as to the true nature of reality.
And I’ve always been defying about that. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 6 (31:35):
No?
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Way, I want to look I want to look into
the mystery.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
I don’t know why everybody doesn’t feel that way. And
I always say, on this show and everywhere in my life,
what’s the harm in giving these things proper scientific investigation?
Why can’t we all agree, let’s look at this deeper,
let’s take it serious, and if we find out there’s
nothing here, so be it. But why not come from
a place of looking into it?
Speaker 5 (31:58):
I agree, But I will say I don’t think we
can ever if after a true and Corey walk away
and say there’s nothing to it, because we the yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Absolutely, people, I don’t even want to do that or
immediately dismiss it out of hand. I think are doing
an injustice.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
I think they’re doing it out of injustice. But I
always bring the psychology back to it. Remember the skeptics
that we talked about. There’s something deep in the recesses
of human psychology that knows full well what’s going on,
and for whatever reason, there’s a denial. Let me give
you a quick example. I have a dear friend who
I spoke with years ago, who knew I was doing
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this work. We went to college together, so long before
I was into this work formerly, of course, and she
felt the need to tell me a story about one
night seeing her dead grandmother at the foot of her bed,
and of course I said, do tell me more. She said, Yo,
I saw her there, she says, But you know what,
I’m not going to believe in it. I’m just not.
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This is not the first time this has happened, and
I have interviewed I think, why is that? Adam and
c Well, but you have to ask the question where
is this coming from? Is it a fear? Is it
a fear of ridicule? If you decide, even if you weren’t,
to tell anyone, she she made up her mind even
though she saw it with her own eyes, She’s not
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going to believe in it. So the denial factor, as
a psychological sort of I don’t know what you call it,
defect of the human being, is a big one, and
we’ll keep and can’t and has kept a lot of
people from seeing truth. And I’ve heard I’ve had other
testimony before where people would spill the beings on an
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experience they had and then push back and say, I’m
you know, I still don’t believe it. So it really
begs the question who are we as psychological beings? That’s
the other thing, you know, all of these things are
connected and connect back to what we call the contact phenomenon.
You cannot look at the contact phenomenon. You can’t look
at this field at all in a vacuum. I think
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we have to look at how all of this connects
to the human condition, and if we want, as we
call it, full disclosure, we’re really going to have to
address the human condition and the areas that have inhibited
us from learning the truth about all of this. We
have to look at ourselves. It always comes back to
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the self as far as I’m concerned.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
Run.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Everyone’s got their own individual lens too. I mean, you’re
talk same Two people have the exact same experience, and
they will see it completely differently. One will be a
religious experience, one will be you know, that was a
hallucination or whatever their explanation is.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
It’s interestingly yeah, well again, I think in it’s complex.
I don’t mean to simplify it all, but I think
it comes down to social indoctrination. We’re habitual creatures, and
if we’re brought up in a certain framework and we
have something that confronts us that’s outside of that framework,
that we’re going to be as a default going to
do our best, put it in the box that we understand,
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and if it doesn’t fit in that box, then it’s dismissed.
Hence the reason why I think you get so many
people that will tell you these experiences but say, but
I don’t believe it even though I saw it. So
it’s quite interesting.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Yeah, we can of this belief. You’re on a TV show. Congratulations,
the proof is out there. It’s been going on for
four years now. I want to ask you, have you’ve
seen any great cases on that show that you felt
could be genuine.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
I think a lot of the cases and by the way,
I think i’ve wrapped for proof I put in four
years and so yeah, we’ve done a lot of shows.
A lot of the things that I covered, the stories
that I covered, many of which were a lot of
them were more on the mechanistic the lights in the
sky and the strange sounds. I did a lot of
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examining of anomalo of sounds and what they might be
connected to in theories around them. But some of the
most interesting things I’ve done really were not necessarily directly
connected to the UFO question, but kind of ghostly phenomena stigmata,
you know, a lot of historical examples of anomalies that
have happened. So yeah, I think you know, they got
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our producers got some great stories for me to work on,
and everything has such a rich, rich history behind it.
You know, putting these things into context was very challenging.
But you know, the information is there.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Were you typically familiar with the cases or was it
brand new to you when you saw.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
It somewhere new? Some were brand new to me. But
my challenge was to bring context to what, you know,
things that I that have come across my desk, so
to speak, that I could sort of juxtapose with what
I was examining a particular story. All of what proof
is out there does is they get footage that people
send in and we’re either to not just debunk it,
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but but add credence to it that it could be
what we’re saying that it maybe or dismiss it. So yeah,
it was it was really challenging to do. I mean,
they had me doing I was covering stories on the
what is it the megalodon shark maybe still being around.
It was a little bit of a stretch for you,
but I enjoyed working with them a lot.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Absolutely. Another thing I definitely want to ask you about
because I think you’re a fan of this too. My
favorite adjacent subject here, of course, is synchronicities. So I
want to see if those to you have anything to
do with paranormal activity or even contact experiences.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
Oh everything, I think they do well. Okay, synchronicity, you
know Young’s term coined many years ago, meaning meaningful coincidence.
I look at it as a coinciding of two events
that create one profound result. And I think that you
cannot have encounters like contact encounters, precognitive encounters, ghostly encounters
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without a measure of synchronicity being a part of it.
Synchronicity is almost like the baseline for these encounters, or
it can act as a springboard, and oftentimesnicity is inclusive
of a contact encounter. So yeah, those are obviously one
of the one of the more common phenomena that people have.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
You know, you think that people that have these experiences
are people who also experience synchronicity all of the time.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
Yes, yes, I do, I absolutely do.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
I’m so what does it? So? What does it mean
to you personally to have a synchronicity.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
Well, I think the first thing I would say, is
when when a synchronicity occurs, it’s really just kind of
underscores the fact that the universe is not an accidental process.
It’s it’s everything is connected. It calls into question our
notion of time and space. I think a challenge. It
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can challenge the notion of time and space. You know
I’ve done. I’ve done a lot of looking into contrast
and comparison between synchronosity and precognition. You know, when you
have a synchronosity, let’s say you have a synchronicity that
And I can tell you about one where I was
thinking about a childhood friend years ago. I hadn’t seen
her since I was literally a child, and some thoughts
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ran across my mind about her, and I wondered how
she was doing. Hadn’t seen her for I want to say,
forty years, I’m dating myself. Well, i’ll tell you what.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
You were onest time. I remember right.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
The next day, ron I went into a grocery store
that I shop at all the time, locally, and guess
who was there? She was there.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
I love this. I love this. See those things.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
It’s so great, it is amazing. But here’s the point,
and this is a common thing. But here’s my point.
Her name is Michelle. My name is Michelle when I
came by. No, obviously you’re talking about someone who researches
these things. So I’m not going to just have it,
acknowledge it and let it go. No, I want to
look into what happened here. Did I conjure Michelle or
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was it a synchronicity in other words, or was it
a precognition that I was going to run into her
in other words? The very thought, Oh yeah, I think
that there’s there’s a blurry line between precognition and synchronousity,
you know, and when when you start to look at
it that way, the whole notion of space and time collapses.
You know, Is there is there any such thing as
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even precognition if all things are happening simultaneously, so you
can go down a rabbit hole when it comes to synchronousy.
