Join Captain Ron as he and three special guests recap the congressional UFO hearings from earlier in November. UFO Activist Steven Bassett will share his insider perspective followed by documentary filmmaker Darcy Weir and podcaster Jason Guillemette and their firsthand experiences attending the hearings.
Episode Transcript
Captain Ron (00:55):
Hey everyone, it’s Captain Ron and each week on Beyond
Contact for the latest news in upology, discuss some of
the classic cases and bring you the latest information from
the newest cases as we talked with the top experts.
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I’m Captain Rona. Today we’re going
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to be speaking about the latest hearings in Congress on
the UAP topic. To start off the first half of
the show, we have the person who knows more about
this than anyone. That is, of course, the great Stephen Bassett.
Steve’s the executive director of Paradigm Research Group, which was
founded in nineteen ninety six to end the government imposed
embargo on truth behind the extraterrestrial phenomenon. Well, Steve, did
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we move an inch closer to lifting the truth embargo
through these recent hearings in Congress?
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Yeah, the process continues. It’s irreversible. We’re headed for disclosure,
and the recent events have been very constructive. We had
a hearing in the House, the second one the last
one was fourteen months ago, also the same subcommittee, and
then six days later we had a briefing in the Senate.
Both were filmed. Both are out there right now, probably
going to get seen by millions of people. There were
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multiple venues. They are live streaming it. It was different
than the Grush hearing that everybody remembers. It was four
people of substance, covering a broad range of areas, reinforcing
each other’s testimony. It didn’t have that sex appeal maybe
of the Grush presentation, but it was powerful for the
right people politicians, academics, producers, editors and so forth. You
had the Alizondo starting off right away saying we’re not
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alone bingo, and then you had Schellenberger who was on
top of a breaking case involving the first time a
USAP has been named, which is causing a lot of
heartburn over the pengon.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Then you have the Immaculate constellationm.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Macculate constellation and the names they come up with they’re.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Very cool, that’s actually pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Then you’ve got Mike Gold who has had a very
substantial career including dealing space issues and NASA. And then
a very important addition a rear Emerald Galadet, who’s has
science background and so forth able to talk about a
range of things including USO. I mean, this is a
very substantial panel. Their testimony reinforcing each other. As opposed
to Grust, which was basically a one man hearing. He
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had an extraordinary thing to say. It paid a lot
of attention and excitement.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Right, But his was second hand. These guys are first hand.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
That’s well, their first hand to their careers.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Yes, absolutely, you didn’t have.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
The salacious stuff that people wanted. I’ve heard a lot
of people say, well, it wasn’t really anything. What are
your thoughts on that?
Speaker 5 (03:27):
It depends what you mean by anything.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Well, they wanted to say, here’s the body, here’s the yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Yeah, well, Nancy May said that. Nancy May said, people
kept wanting her to wheel an ET out in a gurney.
Right now, you can’t do that. What do people understand
is that these hearings are not about revealing all the stuff. No,
these hearings are not about that. These hearings are about
a process. The government already knows what the ets are.
They already have their tech, they’ve been tracking them forever,
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they’ve had live ets. They know all this stuff. But
that’s not what these hearings are about. Creating those acts
now we have we had four of them now are
about setting up for the disclosure that’s coming when we
do get the information, not getting the information to us.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Now.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
I understand people would like that, well, these acts are passed,
whereas the info, we’re not there yet. But the acts
and the legislation as well as ERRO needed to be
in place so when the president does disclose immediately on
day one, we are able to properly move forward. Those
that don’t get that are obviously confused and or irritated.
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Right they want to.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Smoking guns the community.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
You can imagine how frustrated they are when they have
this and then you hear Lou continually say well, I’ll
say I’ll tell you in a closed door session, closed
door session.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
Yeah, that is part of the deal. In other words,
if you want witnesses to come forward with important information
and you expect them to come forward to start breaking
NDAs and things, you’re not living in the real world.
What’s important is that for most of the last seventy
years there was only two hearings sixty six or sixty eight.
Ultimately it was about ending the engagement of the issue,
not starting it. It took fifty five years to get
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new hearings, and so now we’ve got people coming forward
with careers and so forth. They are going to follow
their NDAs, They’re going to say what they can say.
They’re not going to get themselves into trouble or cause harm.
What is remarkable, even with our MDAs and there are classifications,
there is so much coming out. And what does that mean.
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It means that ultimately the Department Defense is committed to
ending the truth in Bargo. They have their timeframe and
we have ours, and they are pretty much forced to
allow this to go forward because they simply have increasingly
less ground to stand on. And so we’re getting what
we need. Right now, there’s more hearings coming, there’s more
coverage coming in the media, and so.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I found that very exciting that Mace said she definitely
wants to have more hearings.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
That’s a big deal.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Most people now, throughout government, throughout the military, and everything else,
primarily they’re on board with the fact that, yeah, we’re
going to end the truth in Barbo, but the timing
varies dramatically, and what gets said leading up to it
may vary, but the endgame is always the same. Well,
I appreciate that people have different time frames, history does not.
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And we are really on the cusp of something really
awful happening. I mean, we really are in deep trouble
right now. Not that we haven’t always been, but it’s
exceptionally bad now. We have all these terrible things happening.
Let’s get them all resolved, right, Let’s solve the nuclear issue,
let’s solve the China issue, whatever, all of this stuff,
all the terrors, and then when things are really comfortable,
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let’s disclose. Uhh, not going to happen. We have got
to get disclosure now because that may be the ticket
to be able to deal with these other issues as
we enter an entire new phase of human history. Disclosure
cannot be delayed. All right, Oh well, let’s have that
nuclear war first that we know we’re going to have,
and then afterwards, you know, in the rubble, let’s get
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a hearing together, and let’s know there is an urgency here.
And so those that have a long time frame they
need to back off, and those that are ready to
get this done need to step forward. And that is
what the citizen activism is about. I am completely devoted
to getting this truth in Bargo now ended as soon
as possible, making the case for it, and others are too,
New organizations are forming and so forth. But again it’s
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still not clear who’s going to win this race. The
race I’ve talked about the doomsday clock, the paradigm clock,
midnight doomsday clock, nuclear war, midnight paradigm clock. Disclosure is
still not clear which clock strikes midnight first, but we
know at least I know which one that has to be.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
So something like this coming out would maybe even prevent
a nuclear war.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Absolutely, it’s the only thing I think that has a chance.
What is somebody suggesting right now or even point to
that shows promise from solving the Middle East tensions or
Middle East issues which go back two thousand years, the
situation Ukraine and the situation in China regarding Taiwan, as
well as terrorism and so forth. In general, what’s the place?
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Do you see one? There isn’t one. Diplomats have thrown
up their hands. The UN is virtually nothing. There’s political
chaos in the United States. We don’t know what to
go forward or backward. We’re like a clown car heading
for the cliff.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I just feel like people are going to keep burying this.
I just I think we’re just kicking the can here.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Steve, I don’t.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
See for the first time the words we are not alone.
We’re spoken under Earth by Lewis Alissando. We are not alone.
We have non human tech in bodies. The government has
been keeping it promise. That’s illegal. That’s what Lou said.
People say, well, I already knew that.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
People in the community say, I already knew that. People
outside the community said, who’s this guy and why.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Are exactly Well, now they know who he is and
he did it under oath. If you don’t know the
history and you don’t look at looking at it the
bigger picture, it’s difficult to appreciate how strong this is.
Right now we get more and more people coming on board.
There’s plenty of witnesses that are showing up in the background.
You know they’d love to have as many as possible.
We do know that the USAP people are not still
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comfortable enough with the witness protection level. There is protection
whistleblower and witness, but they’re not I get it. If
you’re a you sapper, you’ve been underground working on at
stuff for the last twenty five years. You want the
strongest protection as possible, which is why Birchett just introduced
some witness protection legislation. You’ve got Danny Shane writing some
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high level witness presentation at some point witness protection which
is going to obviously deliver it and may be considered
by the Senate. I am working to get the nuclear
weapons shut down witnesses who have been trying to get
in front of a hearing since nineteen six ninety four
when Bob Sallas first came out, and let’s just say
I’m having some progress now. All of these men and
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there are still at least eight of the group that
Bob’s working with still alive. First hand witnesses SACK based
officers prepared to sit down in front of a congressional
committee under oath and talk about their first hand experience
when AUAP hovered over the ICBM flights and shut them
all down. This testimony is the most important of all
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that I am aware of, much even more important than grush.
These men are prepared to, under oath describe how those
missiles were shut down. After the break, I’ll tell you
why these witnesses have yet to have a chance to
speak in front of Congress.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
I’m afraid people are trying to let them age out.
Let’s hope not.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
When we come back, we’re going to talk to you
more about that, more about the congressional hearings and what
happened with Arrow and the Senate. You’re listening to Beyond
Contact on the iHeartRadio on Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
podcast Network. We are back on Beyond Contact. I’m Captain Ron.
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We’re talking to Steve Bassett. Steve, you’re talking about these
guys getting to testify about their firsthand experience with UFOs
turning off nuclear weapons.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Sattles came forward nineteen ninety four to finally talk publicly
about the fact that he was present when the missiles
were shut down at Malstrom. The reason he did it
was that he had sat on that for twenty seven years,
as all the others did as well. They were obviously
told don’t talk about this. In fact, right after the events,
what the Air Force did was immediately reassign all those
security guys to the four points of the planet so
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they couldn’t contact each other. If there were further events,
how many, we don’t know, there’s more than one. At
some point the Air Force was figuring out, these guys
up here are playing with our nuclear weaponsites, and so
when something would happen, they would swoop in really lock
it down, and nobody knew. We know what’s happened. A
number of times here, a number of times in the
Soviet Union. Bob came forward because he very cleverly put
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in an foia to the Air Force about information during
that period, right without ever saying ufoor uap, and so
he didn’t raise a red flag, and so he got
something back that clearly was kind of alluding to some
things happening at Malstrom. So he felt he was now
free under his NDA. He really was, but he came
out and then others joined him. And here is what
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the DoD was facing. These witnesses now that are absolutely
credible talking about our weapons being turned off with a
EAP president of a hovering above the base. What do
you do. You can kill them all with some countries,
that’s exactly what would happen. Or you can disgrace them,
come up with a bunch of stuff and just ruin
their reputation so nobody believes them. Or you can ghost them.
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That’s the only three options they had. And they decided
to ghost them, meaning that don’t talk, don’t respond, And
by ghosting them, the media went along with that. Even
though there’s been some articles and I will be putting
those out soon and sending them to Congress, they didn’t
go anywhere, and so they just don’t exist. If the
journalists go along with that, then there’s nowhere they can’t
get traction in Congress and has worked since nineteen ninety four.
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They have never had a chance to testify.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
To me from the outside, like they’re just waiting these
guys out.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
They think they well, yeah, they’re waiting on absolutely and
some have died already, they’re in their eighties. Some of
the security guys are a little bit younger, but they
weren’t officers, and this testimony could end the truth.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Embarbo.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
I mean, if there’s a major Senate hearing, which we
have to have and these are part of their first
tend witnesses, let me tell you that’s just going to help,
and sure this thing blows up. The closest they came
to ever getting a chance to testify was that the
citizen Hearing on Disclosure which I produced back twenty thirteen,
where they were able to testify under a maco to
a panel of former members of Congress and went very well.
The record is out there, you can see it, but
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that’s not the real thing. So right now the chances
that they may be getting the chance to testify has
improved dramatically. It is in play. And so that is
an example of how the truth and Barber has been maintained,
but also an example of the kinds of things that
are coming. So for those that think, nah, they’ll never
give it up, wrong, they will. They have to.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
They have no choice.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
What we just experienced and I was able to attend,
was the second House hearing. You got the five witnesses.
The energy was high, the room was packed. It was
a live film by many multiple energy and now recorded millions.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
We’ll watch it.
Speaker 5 (14:02):
But Jillibrand also announced about the same time that this
hearing was announced that she wants to hold a briefing
over on the Senate side underneath the Senate Armed Services Committee.
Why is that important. It’s not hearing, it’s a briefing
because it was a briefing from the new Arrow director, Kazlowski.
Because Arrow just went through a very difficult time. The director,
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Sean Kirkpatrick, was in an impossible situation, particularly after Grush
came forward. He was very unhappy because there’s nothing he
could do. Grush was not supposed to happen, and so
he’s kind of between a rock and a hard place.
And he said I’m loud to hear, and he resigned,
and I get it. I can understand what he would
want out of this business, because I don’t think he
knew what he was getting into. But it got worse
because when Schumer came forward and said, I’m resubmitting the
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UAP Disclosure Act again, only this time was his amendment.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
With the thief in it.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
In other words, the Department Defense knows they’re playing a
losing game, but they thought maybe they had more time.
They may made a critical mistake and decided to throw
a hail Mary pass like they did with the Condon
report in sixty nine, sixty eight, sixty nine. So they
complete quote the Arrow study report, this is the full
study of what they’ve done to date, not just the
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one that was mandated for this year, and basically said
there’s nothing to this, we can find anything, blah blah
blah blah, it’s a total lie. But they needed somebody
to sign off. Well, Kirkpatrick hadn’t left yet, and so
for whatever reason they were able to persuade the good
doctor to sign that report. It then immediately blew up
in their face. It had no chance at all. And
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so everything that’s happened since Garcia, you know, submitted a
bill in Congress. Of course, Birchant submitted a couple of bills,
You’ve had action in the Senate. All of that is
a statement from the Congress. We don’t believe that report.
And so Kirkpatrick left and basically the Arrow is getting
seriously trolled on the internet. Well, so they got a
new director.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Don’t you think, deservingly So?
Speaker 5 (15:56):
No, yeah, deserving absolutely, absolutely but Joe Brand created Arrow.
It was her legislation that created it, and so she’s
very I think, concerned about that. And so she did
the perfect thing. She invited the new director to come
in to give her a private briefing and any public briefing.
But the private briefing just wasn’t in her office or
over in a side room. It was in a skiff.
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That means that some hard questions were asked. Now I
do not know what questions were asked, but she could
have asked him anything. But then she does a public
briefing and she asks him certain key questions. He gives
an introductory statement. He played it down the middle. He
talked about how there are many many sightings that have
come in. Most have been resolved, there’s some that haven’t.
But he gave he showed some examples on a slide
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about some that we know about that will resolved one questionable,
but he did mention there’s some others we can’t resolve,
and he described one and I can assure you they’re
not going to resolve that one, okay again, And so
she’s introducing him to the public and making a statement,
we have a new director. I have confidence in him,
he is point of this.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Whole thing, you think, just to kind of get it
out there to the public. Is that the endgame here?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Today?
Speaker 5 (17:02):
One the House is continuing to move forward. May says
she wants to have more hearings. The House is out
in front of the political chess game on getting disclosure.
The Senate is out in front of the legislation. So
the two of them are working together moving forward. At
some point the deal d is absolutely going to have
to fully capitulate, hopefully with dignity. But that briefing was
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important because she needed to regain confidence and arrow introduce
the new director and I assure you he’s not going
to be another doctor Sean Kirkpatrick. She says she wants
to have another briefing like that later, maybe next year.
That’s fine, that’s her timeframe. But again, there are other
members that may take action. The number one I’m focused
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on is Mark Warner, the current chairman of the Intel.
And so there’s two ways this is going to go.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Now.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
I believe it’s still possible to hold a major hearing
in the Senate. Probably the Intel Committee could be Armed Services,
but probably Intel blow the truth embargo up. Biden steps
out afterwards right away confirms that in fact this is true.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
We’re not alone.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
He’s the disclosure president, and then retires to a comfortable life.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Sounds awesome, it’ll never happen.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Then the new president steps in the truth and Barber
is already over for a month. We’re in the post
disclosure role for a month.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
It’s done.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
And now the new president, which has a pretty substantial
menu of issues to deal with, doesn’t have to deal
with the disclosure process. That’s over. He now can address
and be the first president to address the post disclosure
world as a head of state of the United States.
That is the responsible way and it’s a win win
for everybody. If it doesn’t happen in December, if the
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Senate doesn’t act, then it’s going to happen under the
new president. I think it’ll happen in the first sixty
days and others before the end of March. This president
elect has been asked about this issue as it happens
more than any other president. He’s spoken to it, not extensively,
but casually. He’s also actually stated I will get this
stuff out. Take that for what it’s worth. But nevertheless,
it’s been brought up. There are people surrounding him that
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are bringing this up. They are talking about it, which
is like team him up for this. The key agenda
of the new administration is to attack dismantle the deep state,
which is another way of talking about the military intelligence
complex and other entities. Well, there is nothing closer to
the heart of the deep state than the truth embargo,
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and so consequently this fits into his agenda. Unlike any
previous presidents, he’ll do whatever the hell he wants. He
is not someone that will talk to his advisors and
they’ll say, now, you shouldn’t do that. He’ll do it anyway.
He’ll just do it. The wise choice would be for
the president rather to go to the new Republican chair
of the Intel Committee and say, let’s get that hearing done,
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get those witnesses in Bingo. Huge hearing blows the truth
and bargo up, and then the new president steps forward
and confirms it. He’s the disclosure president and the first
post disclosure president going forward. Right, that’s the way it
ought to be done. However, it’s not going to shock
me if he simply walks out in the East run
one day, calls in a bunch of press and says,
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I got a huge announcement, simply says to them, Yeah,
I happen to know that we’re not alone. We have
extra trustios here, we have the tech. I’m confirming it.
There you go, done well.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
That would be great for all of us. We’d all
love that, Steve. Steve, thanks for sharing your insights on this.
I really really appreciate it. Always great talking to you.
When we come back, we’re going to talk to Jason
Gilmett about his experiences at the congressional hearings as well.
You’re listening to Beyond Contact and the iHeartRadio and Coast
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Beyond Contact and we’re going to speak with Jason Gilmet
of the UAP Studies podcast. You know, Jason was at
our CITD event last year. It was a lot of
fun having him at Contact, and now he’s here to
join us. He was at the hearings. Hey, brother, how
are you. I’m good, How are you going? I am terrific.
I did not make it to the hearing, but I’m
so happy that you were actually there on the front
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lines at Congress. You sent me some amazing pictures of
you on the steps of Congress and right at the
Capitol and everything. What was the experience like for you
just just being there because you’re a Canadian? Was it fascinating?
What was it like being there the.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
Energy because we were put in the other room and
we got to see it. But it was funny because
we all laughed when Nancy May said, you know, put
me on the list bringing.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
It at me.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Bro.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
We thought it was brilliant because we need somebody to
say that now because we know that even Congress people
are getting threats and you know, maybe you should stop
looking into this whatnot. But a lot of people said
they weren’t impressed with what happened. I was impressed because
you have Gallodett, which is representing the oceans and you know,
big bodies of water. You have luil Azando, which is
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representing pretty much our airspace and what’s happening there. Then
you have Michael Gold representing space and the Defense Department.
It’s a global issue and the problem is because we’re
limital and thinking, we always assume it’s just a space
between a rock, you know, surface and in our atmosphere,
and it’s not. It’s in outside space, into space, down
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into the rocks, down into the water.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
It’s a global issue, and.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
I think the first time we had that representation, you know.
And also they ask great questions about are these entities,
you know, do they cause any effects the crash? Do
we have anybody on paid leave? And yes, we have
people on paid leave in the military that were injured
by either recovering biologics or being close proximity to these crafts.
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Which there’s people on leave that are paid by you know,
the Pentagon because they were injured from retrieving these things.
And the Virginia case of our Hainia case, I think
it’s called I can never pronounce it right. Yeah, a
police officer is about twenty seven years old, apprehended a
creature and within twenty four hours his immune system was
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completely shot and he died. So, you know, being close
proximity to these entities doesn’t mean it’s going to be
like Hollywood, doesn’t mean we could high five each other.
There is going to be some you know, viruses that
maybe they have or we have that may affect one another.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
So I thought that was huge.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
That was a big, big moment that.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
I think a lot of people outside the community certainly
saying that, well, it was another nothing burger.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
They didn’t really have anything. What did you feel about that?
I beg to differ.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
It’s the first time we ever have a rare admiral
saying that he was given, you know, an email that
was quickly a race. And for it to be a race,
it really has to come from like the guys that
are working on the core system for the whole military
to have withdrawn that email.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Absolutely. Darcy covers that in his documentary very well, by
the way.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
Very brilliantly. Darcy covers all these things very in depthly.
And you know, you have a rear admiral. You got
a man who was assigned by the Pentagon, and you
know what was I forgot to keep forgetting the senator’s
name to put that together with us app there. But
he investigated this and now he’s putting his life on
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the line, his family’s life, online’s reputation. It costs them money.
People have no idea how much Louel is Ondo ended
up having to pay just to do this. He still
does interviews for free. He makes no money. They try
a journalist tried to or a filmmaker try to trap
me in an interview during while I was in the
lineup about Lou and heasel my way out of his
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questions because he’s trying to taint Lou, Like should he
make money selling his book? Like no, should just be
giving it away for free? Like what do you think
because he’s liked, well, the truth should be free? He’s like, yeah,
but he needs to make money, right, He’s putting all
this work into this book. He’s a production, Like it’s
not people expect things from free even though they don’t
contribute themselves to anything.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
That’s right. What do you think?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
What was your what was your takeaway sitting there seeing
this happen? What was your takeaway?
Speaker 6 (25:11):
Major progress? Even talking about are these crafts conscious? Are
they operated by consciousness? All these questions were asked like
Luna or Paula. Luna ask great questions within three minutes
that we have never been asked before. You know, they’re
even talking about human you know, hybrids and have you
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heard about the hybridizations? Like this all went into a
congressional hearing. And if anybody says, oh, it’s the same
old sayble no no for you, it is because you’ve
been looking into this for so long. If I’m Joe Blow,
that’s never looked into this. I’m like, what hybrid program
like consciousness? This is new to me, So is.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
That what it is?
Speaker 3 (25:52):
That it’s exposing a wider audience to this topic. I
think the fact that Congress is taking it serious enough
to take the time to have.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
These things is a statement in itself. Am I right? Yes?
And I was.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
There’s a comment online that somebody said, well, I think
you’re crazier than I was. Our crazier scrorel not than
I was, but nice meeting, And I replied, either I
am or you are. Because Congress does not hold hearings
on UAPs not existing, right right, They wouln’t hold a
hearing on that.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
So we had two and in the last couple of
years here, which we haven’t had since, you know, fifty
years ago. So it is in that sense moving the
topic forward. And I think that’s a good thing, right.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
Yeah, Even Arrow, what’s his face from Arrow’s testifying today
too in front of the Senate, and he’s talking about
certain object that got seen by a police officer that
ended up being a big case and then they’re still investigated.
But it seems to be something that makes no sense.
So even though it didn’t say much of anything. I
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still think that he said far more than Kirkpatrick ever was.
And we found out Kirkpatrick was infiltrated from the start,
as the CIA knew he was going in and they
blocked it. The main guy who.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Was like obviously the way that that arrow shut everything
down and just came out with their blanket statement. We
knew that they were not legit. What about I heard
you met Tim galaad.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
Got to I got to shake hands with the men.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
That’s great.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
Dandub guy, just dandup guy. And again he and louill Azando.
Here’s the thing, ron that if I’m in the room
with somebody, I’ll observe them, especially they’re a big name,
and you know, it doesn’t take long for me to
see the phonies from.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
The real people.
Speaker 6 (27:38):
Louil Azando and Tim Galladett are legitimately and same with
Ryan Graves, are legitimately good men. And I saw Lou
and Tim graciously give their time to just random people.
They didn’t have to it would say they’re pleased and
thank you. They were so polite with their time, and
that impressed me. I’m like, that’s that’s the men that
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we need, and this not the con men. That we
seem to have so many of.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
That’s good to hear, man, and it’s nice to hear
that inside. That’s something that you get from being there
that we’re sitting at home watching the hearings didn’t get
to experience. So thanks for sharing that with us, Jason.
It’s really interesting and I’m really glad you got to
do it too. What a fun thing.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Oh it was wild.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
God try it again, you know.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Awesome. Man, I’ll have to go to one of these. Yes,
you have to move on here, Jason. When we come back,
we’re going to talk with Darcy Weir about his thoughts
on the congressional hearings as well.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
You’re listening to.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM
Paranormal podcast network. Okay, we are back on Beyond Contact
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and I’m now going to speak with longtime filmmaker Darcy
Weir and get his thoughts on the hearings as well.
Last year, Darcy showed his film trans Medium, Fast Movers
and USOS at Contact in the Desert, and it’s great
to have him here on Beyond Contact.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Hey Darcy, good to see you, man.
Speaker 7 (29:18):
Hey, Ron, thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Good time.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Absolutely I appreciate you coming on and giving us a
report from the front lines. It sounds like you and
Jason got a chance to get right in there and
be at the Capitol. And you guys are Canadian. Let
us know what it was like to be inside the
US Capital.
Speaker 7 (29:32):
Yeah, lots of energy.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Did it feel that way being in that room?
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Did it feel like everybody was excited, because obviously these
are fans of this that are there, right.
Speaker 7 (29:40):
Yeah, it was pretty cool. It was exciting.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
What was your takeaway? What did you feel about what
they had to say? Right?
Speaker 7 (29:46):
So, Tim Galladad I’ve spoken to before. He was future.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
He was in your documentary, of course.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
Yeah, and he relayed that same information. But now that’s
part of the congressional record is courted for other congressmen
and women to see and hear and understand that this
is an official reality.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
That’s one thing talking to you, it’s another. This is
under oath in Congress exactly. He could be perjuring himself.
He could go to jail for lying, and he’s not.
I think he saw what he saw in twenty fifteen.
But he also went on to say that he was
interviewed by the then director of Arrow Sean Kirkpatrick that
they tried to push him to become a debunker instead
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of it being an interview for him to possibly take
the role as the new director of Arrow. They spent
the full hour with him trying to convince him everything
was birds, balloons, drones. You know, obviously, Ron, you know
this has been going on for decades now. This is
a very credible issue. It’s not all just prosaic things.
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So that was interesting new testimony that we haven’t heard from.
Tim Lou said things on congressional record, like, yes, we
have crash retrieval programs, Yes we have reverse engineered some
of them, that there is a non human contingent to this,
to a story to this phenomenon. A lot of people
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seem to say obviously outside our community mostly they’re like
this was a nothing burger. We didn’t hear anything because
oftentimes people, especially Lou, were like, I can’t say that
in a public setting, and you kept hearing that as
an answer, I can’t say that here. You know, it’s
top secret, it’s classified, I can’t talk about it.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Was that annoying to you?
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Did you guys seem to feel like, well that we
understand that, do you feel that hurts the cause.
Speaker 7 (31:38):
I don’t think that hurts the cause because classified data
is classified for a reason. It’s for national security. It’s
to protect your country’s secrets right from the enemy or
whatever abroad. To request a skiff environment in order to
discuss those things that are classified with the people that
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have the required security clearance, that is what Lou and
those people are trying to allude to in order to
say things further, that’s where you’re not breaking the law.
You break the law and you go to jail. And
I think that’s what these whistleblowers are fearing.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Do you think we’re still kicking the ball down the
field that some good comes out of it, even though
these people are frustrated they didn’t hear as much juicy
stuff that they hoped Blue would say, Like you said,
he can’t say that. So do you still think this
was beneficial for the cause?
Speaker 7 (32:30):
Absolutely? The first congressional hearing that happened in June of last.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Year, that it doesn’t. Absolutely.
Speaker 7 (32:37):
Yeah, that was not very well reported this one. Every
news agency in the United States and even in the
UK has been reporting on what was said in that
hearing last week. So I think this is getting mass
appeal and interest and other congressional members are going to
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see that and they’re going to understand this is real.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
And Steve mentions how it’s hundreds of articles have been
written already just about the fact that we’re having these hearings.
I don’t think that Congress would waste time if there
wasn’t something here, So I think maybe the masses would
at least see it that way, that there must be
something that these guys are talking about, or they wouldn’t
waste their time with it.
Speaker 7 (33:20):
Yeah, there was a debunker in line that was interviewing
Jason and it was for documentary that this guy’s working
on to, you know, basically throw this whole phenomenon under
the bus. He was throwing some stuff at Jason, and
Jason cleverly said, you know, I’m pretty sure Congress does
not hold hearings on UAPs that don’t exist.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Right, good point. And I think it’s interesting that Michael
Gold’s book about NASA having these records, that’s something brand new.
I have not really heard anyone from NASA come out,
have you.
Speaker 7 (33:56):
NASA astronauts have been talking about this phenomenon for decades
and decades and decades and I’ve been discussing that in
some previous documentaries have done called Secret Space UFOs. But
I think the NASA administration, you know, especially with the
new administrator that took over, he came out in his
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first month of taking office saying, I interviewed the pilots
about the tic TAC Nimah’s event, and this is real.
And I think since then NASA has been quite quiet.
I think that NASA knows a lot more about this
phenomenon and they haven’t been public about it. They’ve been
very quiet about it for many decades now, and they’ve
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even debunked a bunch of it. Joshua Sametter was debunking
the go Fast UAP video at the NASA panel that
was held in twenty twenty three. So I don’t hold
out a lot of hope for NASA being being very
forthright and honest about this issue. I think they’ve been
kind of part of the CU up. But it was
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interesting to hear that they have collected this type of
data before with mister Mike Gold, so that means they
are one hundred percent aware of this stuff.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Absolutely. I’m sure they have tons of stuff that we
just don’t know about. Obviously, I definitely think that. It’s
also exciting that it seems like there’s going to be
more of these. Mace and Burshutt and some of these
guys have taken it very serious on Capitol Hill, and
she said she wants to do more. They want to
have at least another one. So hopefully that’s just moving
it down further and further as we get more and
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more of these witnesses to come out.
Speaker 7 (35:35):
I’m looking forward to more. I said to Jason, that’s
probably the last one I’ll go to, but I want
to see more testimony that comes about.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
And it’s not fun to be part of history once right.
Speaker 7 (35:46):
Totally, I was ecstatic.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
What a experience.
Speaker 7 (35:49):
Yeah, it was. It was great just being a part
of the environment, being part of the history taking place.
I’m sure there’s going to be hearings in the future.
We might hear from people that have been affected by
UAP radiation, so experiencers of UAP phenomenon. I think that’s
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one of the themes coming down the road.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
That’s sort of the next progression.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
We start with the lights in the sky, then maybe
this now we’re going to get down to the actual contact.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
When you walked out of there, and it was over
what was your sense? What did you feel? What was
your walk away?
Speaker 7 (36:25):
You know, one of the shocking things it was said
was the fact that there’s ocean based bases possibly you
know that went into congressional record. Or the fact that
there’s this question of a hybrid program within the military.
That type of thing, you know, things that we’ve heard
in ufology for a long time, but we’d never think
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a congressional hearing would be talking about, right, you.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Know, especially something like that, the hybrid program, that’s like
the next level deep I’m I’m I was shocked that
that was even brought. You know, I think you know
they’re doing the Senate one today. Did you watch any
of that?
Speaker 7 (37:03):
Yeah? I watched it. It was bad, to be honest, Arrow.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
I figured it was gonna be garbage.
Speaker 7 (37:08):
There’s all these memes going around now. Susan go was
sitting just over the shoulder of the new director of
ARROW who was testifying. He was the only witness. They
weren’t even questions, like you know, at least at the
congressional hearing last week, they were saying things like is
this real? Like are there you know aliens? Like interesting
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open questions? This week Jillibrand was basically spoon feeding him
the answer in the question. Yeah, and then he would
answer it and it was like all to build up
ARROW as this achievement and responsible reporting, you know, organization.
And he said, we have had no no witnesses come
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forward yet. Yeah, we know, Robert Sallas, David Jacobs, you know,
a whole list of credible witnesses testified to ARROW. And
in their first report that they published they said there’s
been no witnesses. I think it’s Bluebook two point zero.
I think it’s you know, especially when they say it’s
all domain, it means like they’re catching all reports from
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any domain, ocean, skye, outer space. And then they’re going
to start debunking it. They debunked the aguadea footage in
today’s hearing said it was a balloon. And yeah, they
just continue to to not be telling the whole story,
and then when they tell the story, they seem to
be debunking it.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
How crazy. Well, thank you again, Darcy, I really appreciate it.
Thank you all for listening to Beyond Contact. We’ll be
back next week with an all new episode.
