Episode 3: The Majestic-12 Files and Crash Retrievals with Ryan Wood

Jun 7, 2024

Captain Ron welcomes Ryan Wood, a leading authority on the Majestic-12 intelligence documents. Ryan has been deciphering the physics of UFOs, anti-gravity, and alternative energy, examining hundreds of crash retrieval UFO cases. In his must-read book, MAJIC EYES ONLY, he explores and grades these incidents, offering invaluable insights into Ufology and classified UFO phenomena.

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 4 (01:15):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today
we’re going to be speaking with physicist Ryan Wood. Ryan’s
a leading authority on the top secret classified Majestic twelve
Intelligence Documents and the nineteen forty one Cape Girardo Missouri
UFO Crash. He’s written one of the most authoritative and
comprehensive chronicles ever published on this subject of UFO crashes

(01:37):
and military retrievals, the revised version of which just came
out this year, which covers over one hundred different UFO
crash retrieval cases. He is also the CEO of Electric
Fusion Systems, which we’ll ask him about as well, and
I’m really really glad to have him on the show. Hi, Ryan, Welcome,
Thanks Ron.

Speaker 5 (01:55):
I’m looking forward to the questions and sharing my insights
with your audience.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
I was really glad to see that you put out
a revised version of this book. It’s such an important work,
and that you’re still involved in this topic. I know
you kind of took a hiatus, if you will, in
two thousand and five you released this incredibly comprehensive book,
and now here we are twenty years later and you’ve
released the revised version.

Speaker 5 (02:18):
Having lived with.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
This material for so long, and given that you’ve had
more time to sit with it and maybe have some
additional research, where do you sit now regarding the authenticity
of these documents.

Speaker 5 (02:30):
The authenticity of the Majestic Documents has only gotten stronger
as time goes on, because we hear more concerns or
objections about the various documents. Each one is sort of
treated in visually. I think get resolved. The authenticity is
generally increased with time.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Do you feel the same about the seven page MJ
twelve document as you do about the other documents?

Speaker 5 (02:54):
Well, I think you’re referring to the Eyes and Our
Briefing document, their first leaked document in nineteen eighty four
Jamie Chandray an LA producer, which Stan Friedman did a
lot of research on, and actually my father got two
more sources, different sources. The paper was different, some subtleties,

(03:20):
content was the same, it was more marginalia. That’s not
really the most compelling of the Majestic twelve documents. In
my mind, the most compelling is the Special Operations Manual
Extraterrestrial Entities Technology Recovering Disposal, which was leaked in nineteen
ninety four to Don Berliner, an Aviation Week reporter in Washington,

(03:45):
d C. And that has undergone massive authenticity efforts. And
you know, both my father and I are in the
ninety nine point, you know, seven six range for for
being totally credible and authentic, and that one’s really arresting
because it’s like where do you ship the bodies? How

(04:07):
do you recover the various parts? What’s the cover story?
What did the Type one and Type two extraterrestrial biological
entities look like? What do you do? How do you
cover it all up? It’s a very much a field
manual for Majestic Red Teams to deal with a crash.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
Well, even if that document, the Special Operations Manual, is legit,
you know, it doesn’t say that.

Speaker 5 (04:29):
We’ve recovered et craft.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
It really means that we’re prepared for such an event
and how to handle such an event, which I can
imagine any government would and probably.

Speaker 5 (04:38):
Should be ready for. Right. Well, sort of you don’t
go to all the trouble of creating a manual and
doing multiple revisions of the manual over the course several
years from fifty four to fifty five two for no
good reason. And it says clearly where to ship the parts,

(04:59):
and it’s pretty great annular. You know, material and clothing
goes to write Patterson Blue Lab and power plants go
to area fifty one S four and it’s sort of
broken down. It’s it’s if it was just sort of
a general thing if we get crashed through retrieval stuff
we get to send it off to one location to
sort of think about it. It’s too specific and think

(05:21):
that it’s a preparatory documents. It’s more you know, how
to manual.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
Interesting, Yeah, and they break down like specifically weapons go
to this other area, and I think it’s weapons and
its propulsion and its craft and its bodies go to
another place, which does add to the credibility of the document. Also,
I have to admit, you know, both these documents have
been all of these documents have been under a lot
of scrutiny over the years, and you know this thirty

(05:51):
five hundred pages is what we’re talking about. This doesn’t
feel to me like the work of a hoaxer.

Speaker 5 (05:57):
I mean to what end?

Speaker 4 (05:59):
I mean it was over thirty years ago, when the
UFO community was even smaller than it is today.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
Right, it just doesn’t. I just don’t feel like there’s Yeah, no,
I agree, Ron, it’s a completely reasonable assessment. I mean,
there are, as you said, thirty five hundred pages leaked
over eighteen years from seven different sources, and some documents.

(06:25):
People might say, oh, this is a yawn, I don’t
you know, no big deal. Others might be wow, you know,
the special Operations Manual, or the White Hot Report, or
the First Annual Report, things like that that are all
on the Majesticdocuments dot com website, and many of them
reproduced in my book Magic Eyes. Only some are far

(06:49):
more interesting than others. As I said before.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
You know, it’s thirty five hundred pages. There must be
a lot of just mundane stuff in there too. It’s
not like there’s whole thing is NonStop ufo E T
ufo E T right.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
Yeah, no, I agree. I mean, for example, the Encyclopedia
of Flying Saucers, which was a three hundred page document.
It was the Air Force chapter was stamped top secret
MJ twelve and actually my father produced it. Here is
available on Amazon, and it’s very interesting in that Vernon Bowen,

(07:27):
the author, was a copywriter in New York City and
he went to the New York Proper Library all the
time and looked at all the various cases and wrote
them up. So from pre nineteen sixty backward he had
a very good compendium and a very well written book

(07:48):
about this. But you know what makes that particular book
interesting was that the Air Force chapter was stamped top secret.
Magic and then there’s notes by vanavar Bush and handwritten
marginalia in pen and pencil. So what’s interesting about that
is is you can do forensic analysis on the pen

(08:10):
and pencil, and we used specing forensic laboratories, which is
you know, the third party high powered. Youah, the ink
is old. The pencil mark SERTs from the seventies and
that’s a very interesting story. And how we got it
in the first place after some thirty five years is
also a story onto itself.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
Oh well, listen, Ryan, we’re gonna have take quick break
here and we’ll come back and dive into that. And
I also wanted to ask you about the stories of
these retrievals and see how they match up with what’s
written in that Special Operations manual. You’re listening to Beyond
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Speaker 4 (10:41):
We are back on Beyond Contact with Captain Ron. We’re
talking to Ryan Wood about the crash retrievals and why
don’t you can you tell us briefly how you guys
came into into possession of that.

Speaker 5 (10:55):
The Vernon Bowen Encyclopedia Flying Saucers was written by by
Vernon Bowen and his son. Patrick Bowen remembers him typing it.
I had the typewriter that he originally used and everything,
and so that perfectly matched. He wrote it all up,
and a good patriot that he was, he sent it
to the Air Force for review and consideration or I’m

(11:19):
not violently a national security or anything. I guess he
was a very conservative Republican in Connecticut, and he never
got it back, and he couldn’t get it back, and
then nineteen ninety four or so it was mailed back

(11:39):
to Tim Cooper and Big Bear Lake. No cover letter,
no nothing, just the document, So that’s how we got it.
That was unusual. So it went in and thirty five
years later, thirty four years later it comes out, and
that’s odd. Now Fort Meade is a huge place. They

(12:00):
have massive underground storage vaults. If you go to the
Library of Congress Manuscript Division and you want some historical
document they don’t have. If they don’t have it right
there in downtown Washington, d C. They put a request
into Fort meat where it goes and they get it
from there, and then it gets transferred so you can

(12:21):
look at it. That’s sort of the background on where
that particular original MJ twelve document came from.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
Listen, Ryan, as careful and skeptical as I am about
these things, I don’t think most people are just waiting
to spend their time creating a hoax of this nature,
especially these older cases. It was a different world back then.
Information didn’t go around the world in an instant like
it does today, and there was just a different mindset
in general. You guys have studied these documents and concluded

(12:53):
on your own investigation that these are ninety nine percent accurate,
Why then do they not get more credit?

Speaker 5 (12:59):
Yeah? Yeah, Well that’s a great question. You know, it’s
it’s a marketing problem. I mean, you basically have to,
you know, advocate for them and for the various documents
and their authenticity. And despite the fact that the Majestic
Documents website has been up for I don’t know, close
to thirty years and or since the Internet started, while

(13:21):
twenty five or so, it’s it’s my father and I
that have been pushing them along, being the sort of
public face of the Majestic Documents, and some people have
latched on and pushed along. But it’s, you know, it’s
it’s marketing. I could make a huge slash, give me,
give me a million dollars and we’ll we’ll make a

(13:44):
lot of podcasts, We’ll do a lot of marketing. You know. Yeah,
you know, I’ll tell you.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
I think you guys deserve a lot of credit. I
think I think there’s these are like little heroes in
our community that have really dedicated a lot of effort
into preserving these things. And I do wish that they
had more notoriety and credibility because I think it’s valuable.
Let me go back to that mein big question, Ryan,
which is you’ve looked at so many of these cases

(14:10):
does it seem to you, like the stories of crash
retrievals and the cover ups, et cetera match what’s written
in that Special Operations Manual to you, like, do they
seem to be following those protocols?

Speaker 5 (14:22):
Well, the document was written in fifty four, and so
before then I think things were far more ad hoc.
But it’s yes, I think that’s it’s fair. The protocol
on a crash retrieval is fairly universal. You want to
secure the area, gather up all the materials, and then

(14:44):
keep the public and all the witnesses away, and then
take it as fast as possible to secure military locations
and inform your commands. So I think that has not changed,
you know since nineteen thirty three or nineteen forty one,
or the la cases of forty two, or some of

(15:06):
the cases in England in World War Two and onward.
You know Roswell being sort of the exception, and that
they did a press release talking about things and then
retracted it. So I think the modus operande and the
approach has been pretty similar and universal.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
So you see a consistency in the way these cases
are handled, even if it’s not right to that manual
in fifty four. There is a consistent pattern of how
they deal with these.

Speaker 5 (15:34):
Yeah, I think so. There’s a difference between a crash
with biology, you know, ETS, and just a drone or
sauser sheets that they can’t get into which may have
occupants inside it may not. So even in the Special
Operations manual they talk about the red teams to secure

(15:54):
the area and cart away materials, and then the OPNAC team,
which is basically responsible for the biological aspects of handling
the bodies, keeping things alive if they’re alive, protocols for that,
and that really formed out of the fact that in

(16:15):
the Roswell case, we had all these Sandia Engineering District technicians,
several that died a profuse bleeding of the nose and
mouth and were hospitalized in some cases from contact with
the ETS at Roswell. They know that, you know, you
need a full asthma suit dealing with ETS.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
Let me ask you this, if you how comprehensive do
you think this new compilation you’ve put together is you
have over one hundred cases in there. Do you think
there’s many more out there that we’re so well covered
up that you don’t even know about them? Or do
you think we’re pretty much know what’s what’s why. Well,
that’s a great question. Ron He answers one hundred and

(16:59):
four in the current edition of Magic Eyes only. I
left like another three or four on my desk because
they just wanted to get the book done. And I’m
under reporting surely because I’m you know, scavenging the research
of English speaking worlds, you know, Europe, US, Australia, UK,
and not doing a good job in Russia or China

(17:21):
or Latin America or Africa or parts of Southeast Asia.
So I’m sure that there are a lot more events.
If I was to pick a number, I’d probably say
this a couple hundred, maybe as many as two hundred
and fifty that have been you know, recovered. So that’s
that’s sort of my you know, seat of the pants estimates.

(17:44):
That’s a very interesting guest. Two hundred and fifty and
you’re talking about a period of one hundred and twenty
five years correct.

Speaker 5 (17:50):
Well since eighteen ninety seven, which is the first one
really in.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
The book, almost exactly one hundred and twenty five years then, yeah,
exactly twenty ex yeah, okay, and they they tend to.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
Go more for atomic oriented locations. There was a huge
wave in forty seven when we exploded did a lot
more atomic testing, and they tend to go to radioactive environments,
be it missile silos in Montana or Oak Ridge plutonium

(18:21):
enrichment plants, And the same is virtually true probably in
Russia and in other countries.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
Which stands to reason and makes logical sense to me
that if there were another civilization coming here, that that’s
what they would be interested in. That makes sense to me.
When we come back, we’re going to talk to Ryan more.
He actually rates each of these cases and gives them
an authenticity number, not a number, but a rating, so
we can kind of compare one to another. When we

(18:48):
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Speaker 4 (20:32):
Okay, we’re back with Ryan Wood on Beyond Contact. Ryan,
you rate each of these cases in your book based
on the strength of their authenticity. What do you think
are the top one or two cases that you feel
are the most authentic and you can really point to
that illustrate.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
That this is a reality. Yeah. Well, I’ll give you
a quick answer, and then I want to backtrack for
a second. I mean, Roswell naturally stood the test of time,
and a lot of I mean, I like Shaghar Kecksburg,
Cape Girardo. There’s seven or eight that are in what
I consider the high authenticity rating. And so the way

(21:12):
I go about this authenticity rating criteria is you look
for physical evidence. You look for eyewitnesses, you look for
official government documents, you look for corroborating witnesses, any sort
of physical traces. So you have those aspects you look

(21:32):
for if it’s a document, anachronisms that have been resolved
and in Magicized only the book, there’s a four or
five pages that discuss the methodology to analyze a particular
case and how it gets the score that it gets,
and and a waiting factor, and so there’s there’s waiting

(21:54):
factors also for you know, you give higher waiting factor
to physical evidence and you give less waiting factor to
eye witness testimony. It’s just like a murder trial it’s
the same approach.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
I suppose the cases that have more witnesses would be stronger.

Speaker 5 (22:12):
Yeah, right, they would, And Roswell is a great example
of that, where you have a lot of witnesses for that,
But then again you have the occasional zinger like Kaufman,
which was widely believed to be true, but then with
further research by Kevin Randall, it’s the guy’s bogus that

(22:33):
often happens. Like one of the crashes we downgraded, I
think it was the Trinity Crash despite the work of
Valet and Lyn, Paula Harris and others. I downgraded it
from I think medium to medium low because of the
work of Doug Johnson and the detailed analysis. The thing

(22:57):
to remember is that you know I’m not the wizard
for all these crash cases. Is that I leverage all
the other experts that have been doing a lot of
research and try to give people a good snapshot of
a case and its references, and people can dig further
if they want. It sounds like it’s.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
Almost like your book is sort of a living, breathing
document that evolves over time. Maybe other witnesses come forward,
maybe a new piece of evidence comes to light and
that would strengthen a case, and then, like you said,
this other guy gets found as maybe a bogus witness
or something, and then that would lower the credibility of
that case.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
Yeah, absolutely correct, Ron, I mean that’s you want to
stay in touch with the people that are doing the
fundamental research or done a lot of the research in
various cases. And that’s one of the reasons why I’m
excited about going to the contact in the desert is
to catch up with so many of these researchers that
I’ve been familiar with that attended the crash Retrieval conferences

(23:56):
of two thousand and three to two thousand and eight,
I think or not.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
And you know who was responsible for the crash retrieval conferences.
I think those were in Las Vegas, weren’t they where
I was. You were the man responsible for those, That’s.

Speaker 5 (24:10):
Right, Yeah, I before, you know, eighteen years twenty years
before Grush ever showed up in front of Congress. I
and many of the other you know now stalwarts of upology,
Linda Howe and Rich Dolan and Michael Schratt and Travis
Walton and Stan Friedman and my father, doctor Bob Wood,

(24:33):
and so Forth, Michael Sala, and they all came and
gave presentations many times, multiple times over the years, all
about the crash retrieval aspects in different aspects. And this
whole thing grew out of my frustration, personal frustration of
going to New fond conferences where nobody was talking about

(24:54):
juicy stuff. That’s what I wanted to see. It’s about
documents and crashes. It’s hard where it’s proof. As much
as I am excited about what contactees have to say
and so forth, lights in the sky and things like that,
it was to me that was a sidebar. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
I think that’s why you’re a great fit for a
contact in the desert person, because you are interested into
in the physical evidence and the credibility of these cases
and what physical evidence is there and what documents support
this case in that case. And I think that’s really
a nice match.

Speaker 5 (25:32):
Yeah, I’m looking forward to it.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
So what about the idea of people struggling. You know
that there’s this technology, they have the technology to travel
across dimensions or vast distances of space, and then they
get here and they crash. What do you what about that?

Speaker 5 (25:49):
Yeah, that’s a great questions. The classic question actually I
think it was the senator from or the representative from
Missouri that highlighted that. You know, the hearings, it’s like,
how can these advanced civilizations travel across the world then
crash on our pode on planet. I mean, that’s ridiculous.
So there’s multiple answers to it. You know, as Grush said,

(26:13):
you know a certain percentage of missions and admission failure,
so you know you can have things that accidentally happen.
I mean, then there’s natural things like a good negative
lightning bolt, which is ten x bigger than a traditional
lightning bolt, could interfere with things. I mean, there’s the
testimony of Corso about radar and you know, turn off

(26:37):
your radar so I can take my craft off or
radar interference. And then there’s the nineteen forty two Los
Angeles air raid where they shot off all these proximity
FEUs artillery shells that may interfere or damage or hurt
the navigation. Then there’s you can’t discount the deliberate seating
of Kindergarten emerging planets. You know, they they say, well,

(27:02):
we’ve seen this movie a thousand times before, the way
you fix this planet and have them join our galactic
civilization in a few hundred years. Is you see them
with a little bit of technology, and then they work
hard to figure it out and they grow or they transform,

(27:22):
and then you can’t discount the basic one. And these
things are disposable biological drones or combo biological taalic and
we don’t pick them up. You know, the drones that
get shot down in Ukraine are left as fodder. And
then maybe the final thing is that we we value

(27:43):
as human beings, we value human life. You know, we
rescue our people and take them to the hospital, and
we try to recover our soldiers. But the ets may
have a totally different attitude, is that they’re just completely disposable.
They’re just like uh, you know, metal bolts and screws.
You know, they did their job right.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
They may they may feel that way about the beings
that are in these craft, and they may feel that
way about the craft. Like you said, they may be
like we’ve sent probes, we’ve crashed probes into planets to
get data back.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
Right, It’s the exact same thing, absolutely, my Ron.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
One more thing I would comment on that is that
you know, once again we need to keep in mind
that we’re dealing with an unknown if in fact they
are coming here. We don’t know the volume of craft
coming Based on your research, we can guestimate I think
you said two hundred and fifty and that’s in the
last one hundred and twenty five years, so we’re right
about two a year crash. Well, if there’s four a

(28:45):
year coming here, that’s a fifty percent crash rate. But
if there’s maybe thousand craft coming here, or two thousand
craft a year coming here, we’re talking about a point
one percent crash rate, so it might not be so hi.
We just don’t know. It’s also speculative, so we really
can’t speak to it because we don’t know that number.

Speaker 5 (29:06):
It’s an unknown. Interesting to talk about though.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
When we come back, we’re gonna talk more with Ryan
Wood about this fascinating topic. You are listening to Beyond
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We are back on Beyond Contact with Captain Ron. We’re
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Speaker 4 (30:27):
Another question I wanted to ask you about this was
Project Moondust, which caught other miscellaneous debris which could possibly
be from an ET craft.

Speaker 5 (30:37):
Yeah, Moondust, that’s another code word that Project Moondust. I
think Kevin Randall wrote a book called Moondust, and there’s
several of the documents that have been leaked at our
Moondust are actually officially released from the State Department through

(30:57):
a Freedom Information Act FOYA. Most of it. You know,
in general, the overall principle is you want to recover
Soviet space stuff for other foreign countries space debris. But
a certain percentage of the time the retrieval teams get
to the crash or the debris and it’s e T

(31:19):
or something special, and so they spirited off to write
Patterson Air Force Base or to the appropriate location. So
most of the work of Moondust and Moondust project officers
is sort of pedestrian, but a certain percentage of them
are et craft and there’s several cases in the book

(31:43):
Bolivia case, I believe that this origin point is a
Moondust document. And actually, you know, with this latest law
that was passed by Congress, the National Archives has to
do some level of effort. It’s unclear how enthusiastic they
are to produce UFO related documents and post them with

(32:06):
the website. And actually I went there, I don’t know,
a month ago and typed in Moondust. Sure enough, Wow,
there’s two or three documents that say, you know, the
project Moondust officers had to do a certain chore, or
they had names and so forth. And I thought to myself, wow,
I didn’t know that. Actually I knew when Moondust was

(32:28):
a program. I didn’t know that there was individual people
that maybe had that clearance or focused on that clearance.
And that would be interesting to write to the National
Archives and say, well, okay, give me the list of
all the Moondust project officers, or where the Moondust historic
files or you know who authorized it. You know, I

(32:50):
need more data, so I may do that.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
You’re talking about the National archives here, and that’s fascinating stuff.
I’ve heard you mentioned before that there may be a
lot of evidence regarding our government’s involvement in this right
inside the National Archives that point to possible evidence of
ET craft and retrievals. No one’s really shown much interest
in this in the past, and now Ryan, we have

(33:13):
a UAP caucus who might actually get behind such a move.
What about a campaign We’re reaching out to someone like
a timber shut to pull together a research team to
scour these archives and compile what they can find.

Speaker 5 (33:27):
That’s a great idea, Ron, I’m all for it. I mean,
as somebody who’s probably spent on the order of a
month at the National Archives and multiple trips both in
College Park, Maryland and downtown Washington, d C. I know
where to look based on the majestic documents. But it’s

(33:49):
a long and tedious effort. To do an effective job
of pulling evidence out of the National Archives. You need
a two to three man team working for several months,
and you’ll get a variety of of low level data.
Sometimes I’ve gotten exciting things. I got a document from

(34:11):
from Blount to Robley Evans, you know, a military officer
to an MIT professor talking about a top secret report
about a crashed Mexican disc and so that was right
out of the National Archives. So that’s pretty juicy. There’s
some other documents that are stamped top secret CIA m

(34:34):
J twelve, and then there’s the National Security Council Color
Twining Memo, which is, you know, a top secret MJ twelve.
So there’s a few little remnants of things that are
stamped that way. But the other thing you need really
is the ability to push on the declassification process. You

(34:56):
can find it and then may be withdrawal slip that
says up, you can’t have it, we haven’t declassified it.
And so now you need timber shit and others to
set up a priority declassification review to not be in
the queue. Like, for example, I identified several people that

(35:18):
I want their FBI files with and you know, we
got in the queue with the National Archives and they said, well,
because it’s under four hundred pages that you want, we’re
pegging you with thirty nine months to respond. Good, thirty
nine months gee, And well if it was over two
thousand pages, it was like over sixty months. Oh my god,

(35:39):
you know exactly, and let alone my request that for
expedited review. So it’s they’re understaffed, under resourced.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
I would look at guy like timber Shatter, one of
these other guys in the UAP caucus might be interested
in throwing you’re working some funds for this. Yeah, i’d
be the classification for I could see it.

Speaker 5 (36:00):
Yeah, I think it makes great sense.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
And this the first time in our history. I think
we actually have a shot at that. I don’t remember
politicians being so open about this topic. Ever, you’re right.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
And furthermore that the bad guys, the MJ twelve control
group people would want to thwart your effort. Don’t know.
They don’t have a clue. They don’t understand how massive
the National Archives is involved. Six point thirty one is. Now.
They’ve done their best in time to scour up all
the primary evidence, but there’s all sorts of remnant that’s there.

(36:37):
In my mind, one of the great paths to disclosure
is pulling an authentic document out of the National Archives,
and you can make a lot of hay with that.
Now they may say, ah, yeah, that’s so old, we’ve
forgotten everything in fifty four or forty seven, and to
cover it up and so forth.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
It would have more credibility than these quote unquote leaked
documents with though, because it’s coming out of the National
Archive exactly. Yeah, and that this is your document you
just said so right right.

Speaker 5 (37:09):
And speaking of that, I’m working on another book called
UFOs Who Knows question Mark, And it’s famous quotations from
people both astronauts, military scientists, and engineers, religious leaders, celebrities,

(37:31):
government presidents. So there’s a huge I mean, you’ve highlighted
one of the key problems of ufology credibility. There’s funding
of because we’re totally underfunded, and there’s leadership and everybody
does what they can to lead the cause forward. And

(37:54):
that’s those are the three challenges for us.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
Well, I love this quote idea. This quote book is
really a great idea. You know, there’s a lot of
physicists that say incredible things like playing saying that consciousness
is fundamental. Things like that could tie right into what
you’re writing about. I think that’s a really really cool
idea for a book. I think we’re going to have
to stop there, Ryan, as we’re out of time, Please
check out Ryan’s site Majesticdocuments dot com, where much of

(38:20):
this material is archive. Ryan Number one Thank you for
coming on today. I really really appreciate it. I enjoyed
this number two. Thank you for your incredible work of
taking the time to archive this important document for all
of us. I think it makes a difference and I
think it’s a great resource for any of us in
this field. So I appreciate that, and thanks all of

(38:42):
you for listening to Beyond Contact. We will be back
next week with an all new episode. You can follow
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Captain Ron. Stay connected and by checking out Contact indeesert
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(39:02):
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