Join Captain Ron and retired Air Force Captain Robert Salas as they discuss this week’s congressional UFO hearing that was held in Washington, D.C. Mr. Salas also share his experiences with unexplained phenomena, including his own alien abduction encounter, and the 1967 encounter at Malmstrom Air Force Base where a UFO apparently tampered with, and shut down 10 nuclear missiles.
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Speaker 4 (01:13):
Welcome to Beyond Contact. I’m Captain Ron, and today we’re
going to be speaking with an actual US Air Force
Captain Robert Salas Roberts a graduate of US Air Force Academy,
he served seven years on active duty. He worked as
a weapons controller, flew target drones, commanded intercontinental ballistic missiles,
as a launch officer and worked as an Air Force
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missile propulsion engineer on the Titan Free program. From nineteen
seventy one to nineteen seventy three. He worked as a
safety and reliability engineer for Martin Marietta Aerospace and Rockwell
International on space station design proposals. From nineteen seventy four
till his retirement in nineteen ninety five, he worked for
the Federal Aviation Administration. He has testified in Washington on
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numerous occasions regarding his experiences from nineteen sixty seven. On
March twenty fourth, as a missile launch officer, he was
a first hand witness to our missiles being turned off
during a UFO sighting. Is an absolute great honor to
have this man with us here today. Welcome Captain Robert Sallas.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
How are you, sir, Hi Ron, I’m doing pretty well considering.
Speaker 6 (02:21):
A foreign land called Washington, d C.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
How strange. So tell us how that went yesterday? We
had the big congressional hearings again. You know, I was
addressing the UAP topic. What were your thoughts on that hearing?
Speaker 6 (02:36):
Well?
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Thanks, it was it felt good. It was a lot
of excitement in the room. I can tell you that
we all cheered when the witnesses came into the room,
and spontaneously it was everybody was glad to be there
and glad it happened, because these don’t happen often enough.
I think mister Schellenberger kind of got the ball rolling
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when he announced that he was submitting a report.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
His report was he turned to the Immaculate Constellation.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
That was it in the Immaculate constellation.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
In which we don’t know how authentic that is necessarily yet,
but this is something that he brought up and he
had submitted to the Congress.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Yes, he did, and it has become a record of
the hearing. However, I’m not sure it’s available to the public.
I haven’t seen it.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
No, I think it’s online already.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
Oh it’s online, right, I think so, yes, sir.
Speaker 7 (03:32):
Fantastic.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
From what I could understand about it, it showed a
strong cover up denial of government agencies.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
The government, He stated, the government has many.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Videos, clear videos of objects. There were some censorship and
reactions in the report. He did not write the report,
but he knows the people that did write it. But
he said DoD and the Intelligence Committee are treating us
citizens like children. Mister Gold, who I believe still works
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for NASA, spoke od for more scientific studies.
Speaker 7 (04:09):
I was happy to hear that.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
In fact, I myself have submitted proposals for two years
running to the Triple AS, which is Association for the
Advancement of Science. I asked that myself and other well
known people present on what is available at this time
as far as doing scientific studies, what data is available.
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Gold made the point that NASA has a vast scientific
archive of data related to this subject, and he’s calling
on NASA to come forward, which they have been reluctant
to do. As far as mister Elissando, I was heartened
to hear him speak with respect to the nuclear issue,
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that these objects have been seen over nuclear assets, and
of course that’s my main story, and that’s the kind
of thing we need. Why we need actual firsthand witnesses
at these hearings, people who have experienced the phenomenon, people
who know directly what has been studied, what results have
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been made, are concluded, and that’s what we’re all waiting for.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
So do you think we need more whistleblower protection in
order to get these guys to come forward?
Speaker 7 (05:26):
Marm In fact, I do. I certainly do. I know
quite a few people who would.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Probably be willing to come forward with respect to the
UFO nuclear issue if given more protections. The way these
NDAs are written, I’ll tell you I signed an NDA,
of course, I think people know that, but I read
it before I signed it. I asked for but I
was not given a copy of it. But one of
the paragraphs in there stated specifically that if you violated this,
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you would spend many years in loven Worth prison. Wow,
they specified that in the document. So this can be
a little scary for people to want to go against. Yes,
we do need more protections, and those have to be
loud and clear, they have to be solid, and I
think we will get many, many more witnesses coming forward.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Bob, when you watch this thing, I think many of us,
certainly myself. It’s very frustrating at home when you hear
people like Lou say, I can’t talk about this in
an open form, I can’t talk about this. Do you
think if they reveal certain things behind closed doors in
a private session, then any of that will actually trickle
down and we’ll get to hear about it again.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
It would be couched statements because again, even people in
Congress are required to order securitios and security information. So no,
I don’t think that’s what we need. We don’t need
these closed door sessions. I’m glad if they have them
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and the Congress people are getting the information they need
to follow up on their activities. But what we need
is a real breakthrough. There seems to be a stranglehold
by the intelligence and DoD communities, a stranglehold on not
putting out actual, real witnesses and information out to the public.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Do we know who’s blocking this and why they’re blocking this?
Speaker 7 (07:27):
No, I don’t.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
I certainly don’t. We can only speculate, as I’ve written
in my books. I’ve written three books now, But in
each of those books, I think I’ve emphasized the idea
that there is a strong we’ll call it, I hate
to use the word, but it’s very descriptive. It’s a
strong secrecy group or cabal for their own purposes, for
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their own reasons. They’re keeping these secrets very tightly, and
they’re using many different means, including intimidation witnesses, intimidation of Congress.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
I think to hold on to these secrets.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Do you feel it’s a good thing that we’re at least,
as the guy said, adding another brick to the wall,
and we’re moving the ball a little further down the field.
Or do you feel that these aren’t very productive.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
I think they are productive.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
They bring the subject up in public awareness and hopeful media.
Hopefully in media awareness, although I don’t think I’ve seen
much in the media lately.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
On what I hear from people, Bob is that I
don’t want to say the word nothing burger. But we
didn’t really hear many facts. We didn’t really hear much evidence.
We didn’t really hear a lot of you know, the
salacious details that people want to hear.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
No, you have to really rely on the credibility of
the status I suppose of the witnesses that came forward.
I think the status of the people that were there,
the witnesses that did testify, is well regarded.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
They all made the point that there is a strong.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
Cover up that these are objects under intelligent control. These
objects are not from planet Earth. I think that was
emphasized over and over from these witnesses.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
But it’s not enough.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
It’s certainly not enough for NBC News to announce that
we are being visited by alien race or alien races
and objects that have the capability to shut down our
nuclear arsenal.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
And that’s the frustration for us in the audience, Bob,
that it’s not enough. It’s not enough. Really, quick break there,
Bob will be right back. When we come back. We’re
going to talk to Bob about his experience and what
he feels if his experience was definitely off planet. You’re
listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to
Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact.
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We’re talking to mister Robert Solas. Robert in your experience,
going back to your siting and experience back in nineteen
sixty seven, did you feel for sure that this incident
was off planet? Could it not have been a foreign
adversary or some unknown technology to you?
Speaker 5 (10:27):
No, of course, I was trained in the missile system
and I worked with I’ve spoken with in depth with
people that brought the missiles back up on alert and
had other experiences other than my own with these objects.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
They were able to do. These objects were able to do.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Something that simply defied our understanding of how they were
able to do it. The object was hovering just above
our facility very close to the ground but pulsating red
orange light, and it was able to send signals, independent
signals through sixty feet of earthed concrete and then penetrate
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triplely shielded cabling system that we had and send specific
signals directly to a particular piece of hardware that was
critical to the guidance system of our missile system. Let’s say,
for an adversary get that detailed information to have that capability.
I don’t know that was beyond belief that they were
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able to do this.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
They wouldn’t that a possibility. I mean, I know that’s unlikely,
but it’s pretty unlikely that an alien race would come
here and do that. So couldn’t this still be something
that was.
Speaker 6 (11:45):
Yeah, extremely unlikely.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Let’s say, okay, it was done by any equipment that
we had or anyone else.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Had, And did all the people around you feel the
same way.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Yes, we were on a routine. When we went out
on alert status to these sites. We were briefed by
our technical people back at the base. Back at Moulson
Air Force Base, we had regular briefings before going on duty.
I was there for three years. I never had any
missile go off alert for any reason. And that was
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the same with the rest of the crews that we knew.
If Air Force, for example, was conducting some kind of
an exercise to check the reliability of the system, to
see if they could actually do this, you know, shut
down the missiles remotely from a lighted craft that had
no sound, no engine, noise, no and the ability to
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fly at high speeds, stop on a dime, reverse course,
make naty degree turns. That was the way it was
described by the witnesses top side that I spoke with.
We had no aircraft, certainly they could do anything like that.
We had no aircraft that could hover in nineteen sixty seven,
and no aircraft that could hover above our facility. And
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like I said, make those signal penetrations. And this was
repeated three times within the span of six months. Within
the span of six months, the missile site at Minor
Air Force Base went down in a similar manner. We
have a witness to that. We also have a witness
to the incident that happened eight days before my incident,
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that was Colonel Waldfiegel at Echo Flight. The incident happened
in March sixteenth, nineteen sixty seven. All these incidents have
been confirmed. We’ve got testimonies in the form of affidavits,
We’ve got testimony in the form of records that we
received from the Air Force under the Free Reformation Act.
So no, and in addition to that, when we returned
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to the base, we were both ordered to report to
our square commander’s office. And this was a gentleman. I
knew very well Colonel George Eldridge, B seventeen bomber pilot
during World World War Two. He has seen a lot.
He was white as a sheet when we walked in.
He could not explain what had happened to us. I
certainly asked him directly, was it an Air Force exercise
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or something like that? And he said absolutely, not reasonably irrationally,
we would not use operational equipment like that. There was
all a large status to perform some sort of exercise,
and if we were to do something like that, we
certainly informed the crews. We tell them that, you know,
they were doing this, And this is why we never
got any kind of a briefing like that.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
And just so everyone knows, we’re talking about nuclear weapons here.
These are not just you know.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
Items, so not canons or guns.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Right, So whatever the phenomenon is, they certainly seem to
be interested in our nuclear capability. You’ve written about that
in your books. There’s other people like Robert Hastings who
have compiled numerous cases of UFO experiences and sightings centered
around nuclear bases. Even Roswell and Undelsham had nuclear capabilities.
That seems to be a tie in here. What do
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you think about that, Moob?
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Certainly in my book, I’ve identified at least a dozen
or more incidents where UFOs have flown over nuclear facilities,
either where nuclear weapons were stored or operational facilities like
my own, including in Russia in nineteen eighty two. In
that case, of course, they started the missiles on a
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lot sequence instead of shutting him down. They scared the
hell out of Russian military operators that they were going
to launch those missiles. But there had been, like I said,
other cases where mister Fenstermaker, for example, I’m even mistaken,
but it was Ellsworth Air Force Base spoke about UFOs
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coming over his missil site, basically messing with him. Some
of the status lights we had and the control capsule
showed different lights coming on at different times. We also
had incursion life it’s in our case incursion meaning potential
intrusion or incursion at the launch facilities where the missiles
were actually located. I had to send guards out there.
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They saw the objects again. So yeah, this has happened
many times at different places in our country and different
places in the world.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
What is absolutely and Bob, let me ask you this,
What do you guys think? What did you feel at
the time was happening. Do you think this was a warning?
Do you think they were letting us know that they
can control us, that they are the ultimate power? Was
What was the feeling at the time.
Speaker 7 (16:35):
Yeah, the feeling.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
My feeling, I can tell you when I spoke to
the guard that was babbling and screaming at my not prolling,
what he observed the object was that we were under
some sort of an attack. I had that definitive feeling
that something was attacking us. Top side, they had the
guards with their weapons out. I don’t know whether any
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of them fired or tried to fire at the end object,
although that has been done in other cases with no effect.
But I did feel that, and so it was a
matter of urgency at the time. Now, after having researched
this subject for over thirty years now, I’ve come to
the conclusion that particular in our case, there was no
damage done to the missiles themselves or any of the equipment.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
We just simply turned off, deactivated. That’s it.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Well, Bullying did a bench test on a piece of
hardware called the Logic coupler. They used various signals that
rares frequencies, intensity of voltage applied. They did identify the
particular voltage frequency, etc. We’re able to upset this piece
of hardware. Upset meaning switch on and off remotely from
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an external signal, and that would have resulted in the
guidance and control system failure of the missile system, which
shuts down the missile. Of course, because we can’t have
a missile being launched that doesn’t have good guidance.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
They think that that could have.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Been a possibility, but they have no idea what the
source of such a signal would be. It had to
be external, and that was documented in one of the
documents I had.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
It was an.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
External, not internal, signal that shut those missiles down. So yeah,
we did feel that we were under some sort of
an attack. Of course, we had this big blast door
that we were not.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
Allowed to open.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
And would have been not very bright of us to
open that door and face some sort of an attacking force.
But after doing my research over thirty years on these
various other incidents, I have concluded that these were simply
incidents that were trying to give us some message about
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the stupidity of having nuclear weapons that could annihilate every
living thing on the planet if we had a nuclear war.
I think this was simply a message of warning to
get your act together and get rid of these nukes.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
You know what’s really interesting about that is we often
hear that in people’s accounts who have had experiences with
they say extraterrestrials, that’s the message that they’re given not
to use the nukes. Were to take a quick break here, Bob.
When we come right back, we want to talk to
you about your feeling when you testified about this very
incident in two thousand and one at doctor Stephen Grier’s
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disclosure event, and how you guys felt on the evening
before you went in to testify. You’re listening to Beyond
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we’re talking today with mister Bob Salas. Listen, I wanted
to ask you about this, Bob. In two thousand and one,
doctor Stephen Greer held a disclosure event at the National
Press Club, of course, and I’ve talked to different people
who were witnesses and heard other accounts of people that
were participating in that, and they all said that they
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seriously felt that this was going to be quote unquote
disclosure and that the world would change the next day.
Did you feel that the night before? What was it
like for you before you guys actually came out with this.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
Of course, that was a long time ago, but yeah,
I think I recall feeling pretty excited about this opportunity,
first of all, to tell my story to the public
with the international press there, we had a lot of media.
Was a wonderful event in that respect. Yeah, I think
we all felt that our testimonies were significant, important they
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would rivet the American public on this subject and demand answers, and.
Speaker 7 (21:08):
Some of that happened to some extent.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
However, of course, we know we did not get disclosure,
and that’s why always still working out.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Are you guys frustrated by the lack of response from
all this testimonial, these credible witnesses.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
I think, if anything, I’m more determined. I’m more determined
to see disclosure happen. I can tell you people like
Steven Bassater.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Still fight the good fight, absolutely.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
Determined to continue to fight.
Speaker 5 (21:37):
And other people, not just us, but many other people
are still working hard to see this happen.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
So, you know, many of us are varied appreciative that
you guys take the time and make the efforts to
keep pushing this issue and bringing your credibility to Congress.
What do you feel about some of these other witnesses,
like David Grosch, for example, coming forward, Now, what do
you think of.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
It takes some courage to come forward.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
You know, mister Grush, I know, had high security clearances
and so he’s having to put up with a heat
from what he said. You know, people expose themselves to
various things like threats, threats that you know they or
their families might suffer the consequences, and they’re putting their
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careers on the line. We have civilian pilots, many civilian
pilots who have seen these objects experiences with them, are
very reluctant to come forward again because it would threaten
their careers.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Yeah, we’ve heard that over the years. Were there any
other moments that stood out for you yesterday that you
felt were really compelling or new information for people?
Speaker 5 (22:47):
So, mister Alizondo was asked about UFOs over Langley and
again he repeated, to his knowledge, certainly, UFO has been
sided many times over military sites. Asked why hasn’t the
military come forward with these reports to Congress at his
statement as we don’t want to broadcast national security weaknesses. Well,
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if we have weaknesses in our national security, if we
need funding or new technology to offset those weaknesses, certainly
it would help if we do the facts.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Mister you don’t feel that we the public need to
know it, that they need to know it, and then
they need to.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Know it at least yeah, because they fund the military.
Mister Schellenberger confirmed that there is a retrieval of these
craft program and back engineering program and biologics let’s say,
have been recovered.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
I think there was also a push.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
To look at these special access programs, which are highly secretive,
the most secretive programs in our governments a government is
doing and see how they’re approved goes because they have
to be approved by Congress. A lot of these programs
require funding, and again Congress approves the funding for these
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highly classified, highly secretive.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Special access programs. Thank you, yes, sir, yes program. You know, also,
I find it very interesting that these special access programs,
these unacknowledged programs are exactly what doctor Stephen Greer was
saying in his films for years. And you know, we
don’t have the identity of the whistleblower who released this
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form right now, the Immaculate Constellation one, but a lot
of it in there seems to support exactly what doctor
Greer’s position was, that there are these these programs without
Congressional oversight, and it just kind of fits right into
the narrative we’ve been hearing for years.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
I’ll tell you a story. I went to the Air
Force Academy, and I’ve been to a couple of the reunions,
and at one of those reunions, one of my classmates
participated in a SAP. He didn’t go into the details,
but what he said was, of course, we were required
to report to Congress periodically about how the progress of
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the program and request additional.
Speaker 7 (25:24):
Funding I needed.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
And he said, most congress people are simply not qualified
to understand the breadth and depth of the programs we
were doing, and it was very easy for us to
let’s say, simplify or pull the wool over their eyes,
or you know, however you want to say that.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
And he made that point.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
It was just easy to get by these so called
congressional briefings. Yeah, this is out of their normal Yeah,
a part of their normal scope. Most of it is
very advanced technology that they’re working in, and so these
kinds of programs do not do the job of informing
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the Congress and thereby informing our public’s representatives on what
they’re doing behind the scenes.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
That’s what we’re trying to fix here.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
After the conference, with the help of some very close friends,
let’s say, we were able to get a meeting with
the chair of the committee that held the hearing, represented MACE,
and for the first time ever for me, I was
able to brief her on my incident and emphasize the
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fact that there are still witnesses out there that can
testify to other similar incidents as my own that show
the importance or the significance of the ability of these
i’ll call non human objects of extraordinary advanced intelligence that
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know in great depth how our missile systems work. And
I emphasized that I think it would be a great
benefit if they had a hearing of simply that topic
with these other witnesses which I can put her in
touch with, and she seemed positive to the idea. Of course,
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I cannot speak for her or tell you what the
chances of that happening are. I just made that point
to her, and it was great to have this opportunity
to speak with someone in Congress about these incidents.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
I think it’s great. I think them hearing from firsthand
witnesses like yourself is more compelling than just you know
what we’re doing out here, You know what I mean.
I think. So we’re going to take a quick break
right here and Beyond Contact. We’ll be right back. We’re
going to talk to Robert about his thoughts on Schumer’s
UAP bill and some other questions about disclosure coming up.
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You’re listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio on Coast
to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. We are back on
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Beyond Contact. I’m Captain Ron. We’re talking to Bob Salas.
So what is it, Bob that you think of Schumer’s
UAP bill that we had. It seemed to have everything
that we wanted in it, and then of course they
gutted it at the last minute and took out all
the teeth. What are your thoughts on that bill?
Speaker 5 (28:59):
Well, thoughts go back to the idea that there is
a very strong influence within our government, and not only
our government, but governments all over the world. With other
incidents have occurred, a very strong, organized, well funded group
of people that are working to ensure that we the
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public do not get read in informed on what they’ve
actually studied a recovered craft, what kind of conclusions they’ve
come to about their occupants, many many topics involved in
this subject, and they don’t want to deal with it.
I certainly don’t.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Want any idea who this could be. Is this some
secret group like a derivative of MJ twelve or something,
or who.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
I think it’s the derivative of MG twelve if you
believe Stanton Friedman, who has confirmed some of the MG
twelve documents that I do believe him a new state
for a long time.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
At any rate, some.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
Sort of clandestine group was established early on during the
Truman administration or even before that, that are not only fearful,
but they don’t want to deal with the public outcry
or outfall of disclosure.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
Now it’s up to the Congress to fight this.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
In my opinion, people like represented Mace, of course, represented Burchett,
even Moskowitz, Warren on others, and Schumer himself. I’m absolowly
convinced that Schumer would not have withdrawn or that unless
he was influenced let’s say by some groups that we
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are not aware of and I couldn’t possibly identify for you.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
If we get something like this, if the UAP bill
gets reinstated, let’s just say, and we get all these
things we want, do you think that would really lead
to government disclosure? Or do you think that this group
we’re talking about the derivative of MG twelve, let’s say,
would they somehow circumvent that law and still keep this
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stuff hidden. That’s how I feel it would go down.
They would find a way to bury it elsewhere. What
do you think?
Speaker 6 (31:14):
I agree?
Speaker 5 (31:15):
I know, And in fact, the Air Force has kind
of thunder their nose at Arrow because I asked Arrow
after I gave my presentation, will you check with the
Air Force and confirm what I’ve just told you, and
they said, no, we tried.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
That, and it’s insane. That’s insane.
Speaker 7 (31:33):
Yes, it’s insane.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
They’re supposed to have the authority to ask the Air
Force and demand from the Air Force information about this subject,
and they basically gave them the figure. So how do
you fight that. It would take a presidential decree of
some sort or intervention to get these agencies to kind of.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
It just feels layers upon layers. You’re saying that Arrow’s
saying they can’t get the information exact, even what we
have given Arrow. We both know of people that have
directly given Arrow information. Then they come out with a
statement saying that there’s absolutely nothing to see here.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
I’ve got that on audio tape by the way. Oh
yeah yeah. I basically said no, we’re not going to
check with the Air Force on what I just told
them for two hours and presented twenty two documents in
aff of David’s too.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
This seems like they’re no better. They seem to not
be a very legitimate thing. It seems very disingenuous given
all the testimony and credible military witnesses that they’ve confronted,
and they’re not really doing their things. So wet I
don’t even know where we have to go if the
Errow can’t help us and Congress doesn’t seem to be
able to help us. It seems like this is very
deep enough that going to be very difficult to pierce.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
It will be it’s a difficult challenge, Bob.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Lastly, let me ask you if you’ve had any other
direct paranormal experiences since nineteen sixty seven.
Speaker 7 (32:55):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
I learned these details after four or five sessions hypnotic
and non hypnotic regression. In nineteen eighty five, I was
at this particular home in Manhattan Beach, California, with my
wife and two small children. At the time, we were
all asleep, and I suddenly woke up and noticed that
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there was a bluish light coming from our living room,
a strong blue light, and of course we didn’t have
any blue lights in our living room, so I thought
we might be experienced a burglary or something like that.
I woke my wife and she also saw the blue light,
and right after that I became completely paralyzed. I couldn’t
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move and I struggled. I remember struggling to the point
of sweating, and I could not move. Suddenly saw a
figure in the doorway a hooded figure. I don’t recall
seeing the face or I can’t describe the face to you,
but it had a hood over it. And then the
next thing I recall is sensing that there were some
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small beings in the room. I thought they were children
at the time because they were small in stature. I
don’t recall at that point what they looked like. They
were very quickly they moved me off the bed, actually
rose up off the bed.
Speaker 7 (34:20):
I don’t think they.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
Were touching me at all, and directed me, moving me
towards the bedroom window, I thought at the time because
I had locked the window. I remember locking the window
before I went to bed, and there was a latch
that they would have to unlatch and then lift the
window up to get me out. But they didn’t bother
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with any of that. They just took me right through
the window. I know that sounds a little ridiculous, but it.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Does, except that we’ve heard it in time and time
and time again.
Speaker 7 (34:52):
Yes we have.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
But they took me right through the window, no broken glass.
I don’t know how they were able to do that,
but that’s what happened. I see a bright light in
our backyard but that’s all remember about any craft. But
I think I was taking up on board a craft
because the next thing I saw was a long needle.
Can’t tell how long, but it was pretty darn long,
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over a foot long.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Well, that’s yeah, what you’re showing me. They’re scary.
Speaker 6 (35:19):
And they had placed that right in front of my eyes.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
I was being held by some very long fingers, long
bony fingers, and it placed in front of my eyes
and said telepathically, because I don’t remember any vocal message,
said telepathically. They were going to insert this in my
growing area, let’s say, the worst place you would want
anybody to insert a needle. They started that, but it
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wouldn’t hurt, they said. And I remember that specifically because
when they did insert the needle, it hurt like hell,
extremely painful. Yeah, initially it was very very painful. One
of the reasons I’m I’m sure this was not some
sort of a dream is because of that pain I felt,
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and I expressed that, and then very shortly the pain
just went away. I proceeded to do what they were
going to do, and then they had me sit up
on the table.
Speaker 7 (36:15):
Side of the table.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
I had two escort I think they were the small grays,
now the large heads. They again took me off the
bed and floated me. I was never walking in this craft.
We floated over to a molded seating in the side
of the craft. Later it got me up and took
me over to another little cubical ad. Another individual was there,
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turned me around with two fingers, went down my spine,
taking my spine or nervous system, I guess, I don’t know,
and then I was escorted out along a curved hallway.
I saw a bright white light at the end. I
was back in my bed in my home. Thanks Monk.
Neither my wife nor myself remembered any of that. And
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then fast forward about twenty seven years later. I was
in Ireland, actually at a conference. They had other experiences there.
One of them got up and said there was a
blue light that came into her bedroom. Something went off
in my head and I turned to my wife sitting
next to me, and said.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
Do you remember a blue light in our bedroom a.
Speaker 7 (37:23):
Long time ago?
Speaker 5 (37:25):
She said yes she did, and that was what kicked
off some very brief memories. But that evening I was
able to find an individual who have to be also
speaking there and went through my first regression, and then
I had three or four others with other people that
worked with experiences, and that’s what I was able to
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recover these memories that I just described.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Incredible, No wonder you’ve been so supportive of this topic, Bob.
I want to thank you so much for taking the
time and sharing your personal stories with us in your
first hand account of this experience. Thanks so much.
Speaker 7 (38:01):
Oh, You’re welcome and I’m happy to do it all right.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
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